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B&H will NOT ship [lithium batteries] to Alaska???

Discussion in 'Industry News' started by resummerfield, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. resummerfield

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    This has to be a mistake. I just attempted to order a D4 from B&H, but they refuse to ship, citing “Shipping Restriction- There are currently no shipping methods available to AK USA due to carrier regulations regarding products containing lithium batteries…”

    Have I missed a new regulation or something? I checked with some other retailers in NYC, and they all agree to ship the camera to Alaska.

    Henry P… can you help???
     
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    Did you call them?
     
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    OK. Cancel this emergency. I guess you can NOT order lithitum batteries separately. So no spares. But the camera should ship just fine.
     
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    you can see russia from your front door... if war is imminent, you wouldn't want them to get a hold of that lithium battery! :errm:
     
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    You're too close to Russia... can't have any D4's going to Russia. :D
     
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    Lithium batteries cannot be shipped because bipolar people take lithium.
     
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    Title updated to avoid unnecessary concern.
     
  8. Sirius Glass

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    Aw shucks
     
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    I can't imagine anyone being concerned about B&H's shipping policy.
     
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    To air ship Lithium Ion batteries you need to do dro testing of the battery in the box it ships in to get IATA approval. No doubt the camera company did so installed in the camera packaging but doubtful B&H did in the individual pack. However, they could ground ship without that testing. You of course wait longer.
     
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    Probably is the cause of me being denied a replacement battery for my IdeaPad.
     
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    Lots of people are concerned about B&H's shipping policies. Those people are called customers. They're people who appreciate the wide array of products B&H efficiently and economically provides, especially analog photography products, in this era when brick and mortar camera stores are almost extinct.

    I can't imagine why you persist in conducting a 'hate B&H' posting campaign.
     
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    Everyone should be concerned with B&H shipping policy, and a heads up like this helps inform purchasing conditions, especially when an item is needed in a hurry. Alternative vendors abound, but when service is an issue I still tend to try B&H first.
     
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    Ground shipping from the “lower 48” to Alaska takes longer, usually a week, but at some point it gets on an airplane. UPS, FedEx, even the US Postal Service have this policy.

    So the only way we can get "hazardous materials" to Alaska is to ship to a freight forwarder in Seattle, where is waits a week or so to get loaded on the ship (along with ammunition and other “dangerous goods”). Then I have to pick it up at the terminal in Anchorage. All this costs another $50-100 or so depending on the weight, and takes about a month.

    Kilgallb, how do you get lithium batteries in Canada? Can the major carriers ground ship hazmat to Canada?

    And if so, why can’t they just “keep going” to Alaska?
     
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    Canadian shipping is kind of interesting due to our geographic and development patterns. We have pretty solid east-west freight routes for the majority of the country, and then a scattering of north bound transit lines to a select few major centres.

    Check out google maps satellite view on a trip from Toronto to Anchorage, and you might agree that "Just put it on a boat in Seattle/Vancouver" makes a whole lot more sense. But I still find it frustrating that the shipping companies haven't made it less painful to get basic package services into some of the more northern regions.
     
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    shipment AGAIN
    // UPS became stricter on Jan 1 2017

    FEDEX

    http://www.fedex.com/us/hazardous-materials/current-requirements/

    If you use FedEx to ship hazardous materials or ORM-D (Other Regulated Materials for Domestic transport) or Limited Quantity shipments to, from or within Alaska and Hawaii, you must ship them via FedEx Express, not FedEx Ground.
    However, FedEx Express accepts shipments prepared for air travel under 49 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), International Air Transportation (IATA) and International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) regulations, which require specific packaging, labeling, documentation and processing for hazardous materials and dangerous goods packages shipped to, from and within Alaska and Hawaii.

    UPS

    https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/hazardous/service_definition.html

    In some cases, UPS requirements are more restrictive than those of the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT). UPS "conditions incident to transportation" differ from those of other systems due to our unique method for sorting, handling, and moving packages. UPS only accepts hazardous materials shipments from customers that follow these variations.

    (means drop /crush testing)



    Any non-specification package that displays the ISTA seal indicating the package has been tested and certified to ISTA Procedure 1A is not subject to the minimum ECT or burst strength requirements.







    Ground Service for Hazardous Materials, including ORM-D, Limited Quantity, combustible materials and Lithium Batteries (Fully and Lightly Regulated), is not available for shipments to or from the following areas: Alaska; Hawaii; Puerto Rico; Avalon, CA; Catalina Island, CA; Beaver Island, MI; Mackinac Island, MI (winter only); The Bass Islands, OH; Kelley's Island, OH; and San Juan Islands, WA.

    UPS Ground service is available for shipping hazardous materials, including ORM-D and Limited Quantity shipments (prepared under HM-215K), within the contiguous U.S.



    UPS lithium battery specific info

    https://www.ups.com/media/news/en/us_lithium_battery_regulations.pdf

    Effective January 1, 2017, UPS will require Section II batteries to be fully regulated.

    Effective January 1, 2017, UPS will change its requirements for shipping lithium batteries by air. These changes support our continuing efforts to ensure the safety of our employees while at the same time meeting the needs of our customers.

    The change will require that all U.S. Air and international Air shipments of lithium ion or metal cells and batteries shipped without equipment by a UPS Air service be prepared and shipped as fully regulated dangerous goods. Beginning January 1, 2017, UPS will no longer allow air shipments under reduced regulations, such as:

    • ▪ Section II of IATA Packing Instructions 965 (ion, UN3480) and 968 (metal, UN3090)
    ▪ 49 CFR 173.185(c)

    Shippers will need to enter a UPS Dangerous Goods service agreement before shipping lithium ion or lithium metal batteries without equipment by air. This requirement does not apply to UPS® Ground shipments. Additional service fees may apply to these changes. For more details on UPS Dangerous Goods service refer to the UPS Guide for Shipping Ground and Air Hazardous Materials.

    The following list of services are applicable to these changes:

    UPS Next Day Air®, UPS 2nd Day Air®, UPS 3 Day Select®, UPS Express Critical®, UPS Worldwide Express Plus®, UPS Worldwide Express®, UPS Worldwide Express Freight®, UPS Worldwide Saver®, UPS Worldwide Expedited®, UPS Express® Freight, UPS Air Freight Direct®, UPS Air Freight Consolidated®, UPS Next Day Air® Freight and UPS 2nd Day Air® Freight, as well as Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico using UPS Ground.
    Questions about shipping dangerous goods with UPS may be directed to your UPS sales professional or by contacting the UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center at 1-800-554-9964.


    USPS

    http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c3_026.htm#ep900090
    Mailing Lithum Bats
    • Mailed Without Equipment. The following additional restrictions apply to the mailing of lithium metal cells or batteries without equipment (individual batteries):
      1. The lithium metal cells and batteries must be mailed in “the originally sealed packaging.”
      2. The sealed packages of batteries must be separated and cushioned to prevent short circuit, movement, or damage.
      3. The shipment must be contained in a strong enough sealed package to prevent crushing of the package or exposure of the contents during normal handling in the mail.
      4. Mailpieces must be sent by surface transportation only.
      5. In addition to the marking and shipping documentation requirements described in 349.221a6 and 349.221a7, the outside of the package must be marked on the address side “Surface Mail Only, Primary Lithium Batteries — Forbidden for Transportation Aboard Passenger Aircraft” or “Surface Mail Only, Lithium Metal Batteries — Forbidden for Transportation Aboard Passenger Aircraft.”
      6. The mailpiece must not exceed 5 pounds.




    Alaska Air
    (as an example)
    Carrying spare batteries

    You may bring spare lithium batteries for devices such as laptops, cell phones and cameras, in carry-on baggage only. Spare batteries must be packed with terminals covered/insulated to prevent short-circuiting. Original retail packaging is sufficient, or if not in original packaging, the terminals must be covered with non-conductive tape.
     
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    +!

    He also spend part of the time in his "hating Kodak" campaign.
     
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    Given the difficulty of getting lithium batteries to Alaska, it seems like a golden opportunity for an entrepreneurial fellow for a home based business in Anchorage.
     
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    Lithium Ion batteries are not considered hazardous materials for ground transportation. That does not stop individual carriers from making tougher rules.
     
  20. Sirius Glass

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    The lithium batteries in the Samsung smart phones can be used as hand and leg warmers on a one time basis.
     
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    firtulatly it seems that they can ship them to Canada! Canada shipments do come by Purolator GROUND. Received both a spare DSLR battery (which we won't talk about here) and some CR123A primary cells (used in my Canon Elan 7 FILM camera) this week.