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This is a long post, but it may be of interest to Cyanotype and Cuprotype practitioners. I describe a process that has yielded satisfying results and is almost as simple as the Cyanotype process. If you get a chance, please try it and share your results and experiences. Your feedback would be highly valuable to me.


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FerroBlend: A blended ferrocyanide process

Motivation

Cyanotype and Cuprotype are two popular printmaking processes that offer inexpensive and versatile alternatives to silver-based methods. However, both are limited in the range of colour tones they can produce. As the pigment that constitutes the image is a ferrocyanide in both Cyanotype and Cuprotype processes, I became interested in the possibility of a printing process in which the image is formed by a blend of ferrocyanides. Such a process would be interesting to me and many others because the colour tone of the image would be very different from the familiar blue of Cyanotype and the reddish brown of Cuprotype. This process has the potential to produce a wide range of colour tones by varying the proportions of the ferrocyanides in the blend. For example, an image with warm highlights, brown midtones, and blue/black deep shadows would be particularly interesting.


With this motivation, I set out to explore processes for achieving a blend of Prussian Blue and Copper Ferrocyanide. Over the past year, through extensive experimentation, I arrived at several methods to produce blended ferrocyanide prints with varying degrees of complexity and success. In the rest of this note, I will describe the most promising of these processes, which is remarkably simple and has given me satisfactory results. For ease of reference, I will refer to this process as FerroBlend.


Paper

Any paper that works well for Cyanotype should also work well for FerroBlend. I have successfully used Strathmore 300 Bristol 270 gsm, Fabriano Bristol 250 gsm, Brustro Bristol 250 gsm, Magnani 1404 Toscana 300 gsm, Canson Montval Watercolour 300 gsm, Chitrapat 440 gsm Matte, and Chitrapat 440 gsm rough papers. Heavily buffered papers require an acid pre-wash using sulfamic acid or citric acid, followed by a wash in running tap water. Bristol papers should not be given an acid pre-wash as they do not respond well to it.


FerroBlend Sensitizer

To make 2 ml of the sensitizer for brush coating A4-sized paper:

  • Water: 1 ml
  • Ferric Ammonium Citrate (green): 0.25 g
  • Potassium Ferricyanide: 0.2 g
  • Ammonium Chloride: 0.25 g (optional)
  • Water to make: 2 ml


Ammonium chloride is not strictly necessary for papers that have undergone an acid pre-wash. However, it works exceptionally well with Bristol and other papers that do not tolerate multiple wet processing steps. It prevents pigment bleeding and enhances the depth of the darks in the print.



Note: This sensitizer uses significantly more ferricyanide than the classic Cyanotype process. This is intentional and plays a crucial role in the development step.



A two-part concentrate with good storage life can be prepared as follows:

Part A:

  • Water: 60 ml
  • Ferric Ammonium Citrate (green): 25 g
  • Ammonium Chloride: 25 g (optional)
  • Water to make: 100 ml
Part B:

  • Water: 60 ml
  • Potassium Ferricyanide: 20 g
  • Water to make: 100 ml


Exposure

  • 15 minutes using six Philips Actinic BL TL-D 18W lights for a negative with a density range of 1.8–2.2.
  • Expose the sensitized and dried paper as you would for Cyanotype (until highlights appear green and deep shadows are reversed).


FerroBlend Developer

To make ~6 ml of the developer for brush developing A4-sized exposed paper:

  • Water: 5 ml
  • Copper Sulphate: 0.1 g
  • Sodium Citrate: 0.4 g
  • Surfactant: 1 drop (optional)


A long-lasting developer concentrate can be prepared as follows:

  • Water: 60 ml
  • Copper Sulphate: 10 g
  • Sodium Citrate: 40 g
  • Water to make: 100 ml
1 ml of the concentrate diluted with 5 ml of water yields 6 ml of developer.



Development

  1. Apply half the volume of the developer evenly with a brush.
  2. Do another pass with the remaining developer.
  3. Leave the sheet untouched for 5–30 minutes.
  4. Once the developer is applied, the print starts losing the solarized appearance it had after exposure. It then gains a warmer tone. With some papers, this tone change occurs rapidly (within 5 minutes). With others, it begins after 5 minutes and continues for ~30 minutes.
  5. Loose pigments (reddish-brown Copper Ferrocyanide) must not form. If they do, it indicates bleeding, which can be remedied by increasing the amount of ammonium chloride in the sensitizer or adding some to the developer.


Wash

  • Wash in a tray of tap water containing 2 g of citric acid per liter for 30 seconds to 1 minute with gentle agitation.
  • Transfer to a tray of water (pH ~7), face down, and wash for 10 minutes in gently running water.


Notes

  1. Possible Chemical Mechanism: I am not a chemist and I could be completely wrong about what is happening in the development step. I suspect that, when Prussian White pigments form during exposure, they trap ferrous or ferrocyanide ions underneath or between them. These immobilized ferrous/ferrocyanide ions react with cupric ions in the chelated developer to form Copper Ferrocyanide pigments, which then integrate into the exposed areas, adding a distinct color blend to the print.
  2. Importance of Excess Ferricyanide: The sensitizer contains an excess of ferricyanide, which is essential for forming Copper Ferrocyanide in the development step. Without this excess, relatively less Copper Ferrocyanide forms during development, resulting in a less warm final print.
  3. Alternative Sensitizer: Instead of using a sensitizer with excess ferricyanide, you can use a classic Cyanotype sensitizer and compensate by adding ferricyanide in the developer. Just add 0.1 g of ferricyanide for every 0.1 g of Copper Sulphate in the developer solution (or 0.5 ml of Sensitizer Part B per 1 ml of developer concentrate). While this allows the use of commercial Cyanotype sensitisers and shorter scale negatives, it may lead to loose pigment formation and staining with some papers.
  4. Stain: Some staining can be observed on the papers I tested. This is an area that requires further experimentation and testing, which I have not yet pursued. Unlike in Cuprotype, I am unsure whether a restrainer in the sensitizer will be of much help in this process. I suspect that some of the copper ferrocyanide pigments formed are peptized, though to a significantly lesser degree than in Cyanotype, and that these loose pigments migrate due to repeated brushing, resulting in staining. Perhaps using a puddle pusher and/or a more viscous, slow-acting developer could help mitigate the staining. I need to run tests to confirm.
 
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Example Prints

I have attached phone camera scans of two FerroBlend prints on two different papers. I used an inter-negative made on 8×10 Carestream X-ray film from an original 35mm Orwo UN54 B&W film slide. The inter-negative is kind of beaten with several blemishes on its surface.
 

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Hope this is OK with the moderators.

Definitely. Thanks for posting this; it's exciting and the examples you've shown quite frankly blow me off my socks. We sometimes see a new process pop up here and there and invariably, it takes a good deal of optimism and wishful thinking to see the true potential. Not in this case, which comes with an absolutely glorious example right from the start! This is a testament to the countless hours you must have spent on working on this before publishing it.
 

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Impressive stuff Raghu....definitely I would love to try at some point.

Quick comment about the possible mechanism - ferrous ferrocyanide (Prussian white) is a great reducing agent and CuSO4 is an oxidizing agent - so is this just a case of redox reaction, much like what would happens with hydrogen peroxide except that byproduct of conversion to ferric ferrocyanide (Prussian blue) is copper ferrocyanide.

:Niranjan.
 

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This is very cool! Thanks for "tagging" me, I'm glad I didn't miss your post. I will definitely try this when I go on another cyanotype activity binge. I use mostly FAO these days and will try with that. Also the use of ammonium chloride is interesting and makes me wonder if I could have achieved more even brush development results ( or puddle-pusher development ala nmp ) with that. I gave up on separate pot ferri development after I realized I could get enough speed for my digital paper negatives with AFO + citric acid + pot ferri.

Those tones look fantastic.... this is a great idea!
 

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Wow!!! Really nice prints and clearly a lot of productive effort. Congrats!

I'll definitely try this with digital negatives... as soon as I have finished the edition of a dozen toned cyanotypes that I am working on currently.

I'm guessing that Niranjan is on the right track in terms of the chemistry.

However, I took a very quick cursory look at some of the literature on the interactions of copper with Prussian Blue. It seems that folks can make Prussian Blue particles that incorporate copper into the matrix. So there might be another explanation. No mention (at least in the available abstracts) of the color of these particles.

I am sure that this biochemist is missing some of nuances of the inorganic chemistry as well. Nor have I any immediate thoughts on how to distinguish the two possibilities. Not that these matter for our purposes of printmaking.

Lastly, a few of thoughts/ideas...

1) Have you tried substituting sodium chloride for the ammonium chloride in the sensitizer? This substitution helps one to distinguish if the effect is due to acid/base chemistry which is specific to the ammonium compound and an ionic strength effect.

2) Have you tried developing the print by immersion rather than brushing on the FerroBlend developer? The components of the developer are inexpensive enough that cost of a 'tray-ful" should not be an issue.

3) Generally, the reason that Bristol board does not like prolonged immersion in water is that it is made by gluing up sheets of paper to the desired thickness. Thus is tends to de-laminate when soaked for too long.
 

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I've done some very quick tests as I don't have much time today. No joy as of yet. I think it's going to be kind of picky when it comes to papers.

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Top print is test #1 without any ammonium chloride. Bottom is #2 with ca. 10% w/v ammonium chloride in the sensitizer. This cuts down rogue pigment formation dramatically, although not entirely.
Images above are after brushing on the developer; the top print had been sitting like that for 5 minutes or so at that point.

This is after 20 minutes or so (out of time, have to go), after a brief rinse in acidified tap water and another brief rinse in plain tap water:
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Something's happening alright, although it's mostly red fog. I'll have to re-try later on with a more suitable paper, I think.

Sorry if the images don't show up properly; somethings off with the color profiling on my end and I didn't have time to solve it. In reality the colors are pretty saturated.
 
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Thanks @koraks, @Andrew O'Neill, @nmp, @NedL and @fgorga for your encouraging response. I will look forward to seeing your results and hearing about your experience when you try this process at your convenience.

@nmp: the mechanism that you described is plausible. If indeed Copper Ferrocyanide is being imagewise added as the side effect of redox reaction between PW and Cu2+, then it should be possible to test this hypothesis. What would be a good test? I did try doing some tests sometime ago related to this.

It is a fact that immediately after water development of Cyanotype prints, not all PW have been oxidised to PB. After all Cyanotype prints take some time to gain full density. So I made some Cyanotype prints and immediately after water development, I coated the prints with Copper Toner (i.e. Copper Sulphate + Sodium Citrate + Potassium Ferricyanide). This didn't produce any Copper Ferrocyanide.

It is a known fact that Cyanotype prints fade when subjected to UV light for a long time. What happens is PB gets reduced to PW under the action of UV light. We can accelerate this process of reduction by coating Ferric Ammonium Citrate on the Cyanotype print. I made some Cyanotype prints in the regular manner and later reduced these prints till the entire print appeared completely faded. I then brushed the reduced prints with Copper Sulphate but that didn't produce any Copper Ferrocyanide. In this case I guess Copper couldn't steal Ferrocyanide from PW.

In a third test I coated the reduced Cyanotype print (i.e. PW) with Copper Toner (i.e. Copper Sulphate + Sodium Citrate + Potassium Ferricyande). This test also didn't produce imagewise Copper Ferrocyanide. If it could produce imagewise Copper Ferrocyanide, one could simply make Cyanotype prints the regular way and later reduce the prints and tone in Copper.

Let me do these tests again under the light of your explanaton and confirm. If there is a new test that you want to suggest, please let me know.

@NedL: FAO might not work as well as FAC due to the formation of insoluble Copper Oxalate. I will do some tests with Oxalate based Cyanotype processes in the near future and update you.

@fgorga: No, I haven't done tests wit NaCl.
Incorporation of Copper in PB sounds very interesting. Is there a reference that you can share as I would like to learn more about it?

I did try development by immersion in a tray full of developer initially and it produced streaks and uneven development. But this was before I arrived at the current formulation of the sensitiser and developer. I should test tray development again now that I am getting consistent results with the current formulation. Thanks for suggesting it.
 
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@koraks what paper did you usefor the above tests? Before trying a different paper, you may want to prewash this paper in sulfamic acid or citric acid if you have not already.

You may want to test your developer too. If the citrate chelation is off for some reason then it contributes to lose pigment formation and heavy staining. A simple way to test is to add small amount of ferricyanide to the developer and check if there is brown pigment formation in the developer.
 
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Raghu, good point about copper oxalate. I've got plenty of FAC too -- I'm actually getting ready to make it from scratch... The way I make cyanotypes, FAC just means I need a sunny day. Cheers!
 

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Raghu, good point about copper oxalate. I've got plenty of FAC too -- I'm actually getting ready to make it from scratch... The way I make cyanotypes, FAC just means I need a sunny day. Cheers!

Yeah, you will get a nice light blue copper oxalate. Some time ago I played around with making a copper print (pre-cuprotype) by coating paper with ferric oxalate, expose wash to leave insoluble ferrous oxalate image (bright yellow) and then react with copper sulfate to get a blue image. Then treat with an alkali with to get Cu(OH)2 image which is slightly darker bluish (+greenish) than oxalate. I was hoping to covert that to copper oxide. I didn't finish the last part.

:Niranjan.
 
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@koraks what paper did you usefor the above tests

It's a printing paper I sometimes use, Schut Salland. I don't think it's particularly suitable for this process; it seems rather strongly buffered. I've not yet tried acidifying it; I just gave it a try with same scrap paper I had handy. I put more stock in some other papers I have, but I'm not sure when I'll get round to trying it.

Thanks for the suggestions on the developer; I must try as you said. I did find my citrate btw, so I followed the recipe you gave for the developer and made a small amount of the concentrate which I diluted before application.

Do my failed attempts look similar to some of your experiments, or not at all?
 

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@nmp: the mechanism that you described is plausible. If indeed Copper Ferrocyanide is being imagewise added as the side effect of redox reaction between PW and Cu2+, then it should be possible to test this hypothesis. What would be a good test? I did try doing some tests sometime ago related to this.

It is a fact that immediately after water development of Cyanotype prints, not all PW have been oxidised to PB. After all Cyanotype prints take some time to gain full density. So I made some Cyanotype prints and immediately after water development, I coated the prints with Copper Toner (i.e. Copper Sulphate + Sodium Citrate + Potassium Ferricyanide). This didn't produce any Copper Ferrocyanide.

It is a known fact that Cyanotype prints fade when subjected to UV light for a long time. What happens is PB gets reduced to PW under the action of UV light. We can accelerate this process of reduction by coating Ferric Ammonium Citrate on the Cyanotype print. I made some Cyanotype prints in the regular manner and later reduced these prints till the entire print appeared completely faded. I then brushed the reduced prints with Copper Sulphate but that didn't produce any Copper Ferrocyanide. In this case I guess Copper couldn't steal Ferrocyanide from PW.

In a third test I coated the reduced Cyanotype print (i.e. PW) with Copper Toner (i.e. Copper Sulphate + Sodium Citrate + Potassium Ferricyande). This test also didn't produce imagewise Copper Ferrocyanide. If it could produce imagewise Copper Ferrocyanide, one could simply make Cyanotype prints the regular way and later reduce the prints and tone in Copper.

Let me do these tests again under the light of your explanaton and confirm. If there is a new test that you want to suggest, please let me know.
Well, you pretty much have done everything that I would have thought to do to probe the hypothesis. Interestingly, excess ferricyanide is supposed to suppress PW formation - if I recall correctly from Mike Ware's book. The reason why there is inversion of tone in the shadows as ferricyanide depletes faster. Your method on the other hand uses greater amount of ferricyanide.

So I don't know....have to think about this some more.

:Niranjan.

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This reminds me someone making cuprotype exposing only ferricyanide - I will have to dig it up.
 
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It's a printing paper I sometimes use, Schut Salland. I don't think it's particularly suitable for this process; it seems rather strongly buffered. I've not yet tried acidifying it; I just gave it a try with same scrap paper I had handy. I put more stock in some other papers I have, but I'm not sure when I'll get round to trying it.

Thanks for the suggestions on the developer; I must try as you said. I did find my citrate btw, so I followed the recipe you gave for the developer and made a small amount of the concentrate which I diluted before application.

Do my failed attempts look similar to some of your experiments, or not at all?

When we apply the developer on the print, there must not be any loose pigment formation. Main cause of loose pigment formation is the buffer in the paper in my experience (which is limited to the papers I listed in OP). That's why I used Ammonium Chloride in the developer and gave acid pre-wash to some strongly buffered papers that I tested.

From the pics of the print that didn't use Ammonium Chloride, it appears to me that there is significant peptization and consequent loss of pigments. This is evident both from the step tablet and the borders. Use of Ammonium Chloride seems to have suppressed this but not fully as you noted. This is suggestive of a very strong buffer in the paper. Please try acid pre-wash to neutralise the buffer completely. If that's not an option for some reasons, please increase the amount of Ammonium Chloride in the sensitiser and/or add some to the developer.

Excessive staining that you see could be partly due to the fact that printmaking papers don't have external size. I have no idea about Schut Salland though. Do you get stain on this paper with the Classic Cyanotype process as well?
 
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I've got plenty of FAC too -- I'm actually getting ready to make it from scratch... The way I make cyanotypes, FAC just means I need a sunny day. Cheers!

Looks like you are into something very interesting. Are you making Cyanotype positives by any chance?
 
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This reminds me someone making cuprotype exposing only ferricyanide - I will have to dig it up.

That's very intriguing and would like to know more. There is a copper print process by Cor Breukel that uses Copper Toner (i.e. Copper Sulphate + Sodium Citrate + Potassium Ferricyanide) as the sensitiser.
 

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Do you get stain on this paper with the Classic Cyanotype process as well?

No, at least not significantly, but it's not a particularly good performer with alt. processes. There's a paper that's very similar in appearance from the same mill, Schut Laurier, which I intend to try next. It generally performs better with alt. processes. I'll also see if I can try an acid soak on either or both of these papers.

There is a copper print process by Cor Breukel that uses Copper Toner (i.e. Copper Sulphate + Sodium Citrate + Potassium Ferricyanide) as the sensitiser.
I'll send him a link to this thread; I think he might be interested. He also sometimes posts on this forum (as @Cor ), but I don't think he visits on a daily basis.

Edit: did some more tests just now; they're still developing, but they don't look like an improvement. Tried acid-soaking a sheet of paper, but this doesn't seem to make much of a difference. I also tried a different kind of paper that usually works better, but it gave similarly poor results in this test. I also tried coating a sheet of heavily gelatin-sized paper, but the result seems to be pretty much the same. The developer itself doesn't throw down any pigment if some ferricyanide is dropped into it, so it seems to be sequestering OK.

Edit 2: these are some more tests, but as indicated above, no real progress so far.
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The second print from the left is somewhat promising; this is the one made on a heavily gelatin-sized paper. But that also doesn't really show much real conversion of the blues; more like a copper overlay. And there's a lot of fog going on still, although less than in the unsized prints.
Just did another one on paper soaked in 1% sulfamic acid, but that performed even worse than the paper I soaked in citric acid.

I think I'm going to call it a day with this and see what others come up with. I don't have any of the papers at hand that @Raghu Kuvempunagar has used for his tests, but given the wide range of papers he has used, I can't imagine that the papers I've tried so far wouldn't work at all. There's some aspect to the process that I'm not getting right and that I can't get from the description so far, so maybe if others would want to give this a try and share their experiences, I can glean some hints from that. I have a feeling this process will turn out to be very, very finicky.
 
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Hi @koraks,

My sincere gratitude for being one of the first persons outside of my milieu to try my process and share your experience. I share your disappointment that these first attempts didn't produce the good results we were hoping to get. But I hope you'll give it a try again sometime soon when the stars are properly aligned. Unfortunately I don't have access to Schut papers that you used in your tests. If you can send me a few sheets, I'll pay for the item and shipping, I promise I will do testing at my end and figure out what is going on.

Every process has its challenges despite best efforts to make it simple and repeatable. But I respectfully disagree with the following comment of yours:

I have a feeling this process will turn out to be very, very finicky.

Immediately after reading the post on your latest round of testing, I followed the exact same instructions that I posted in OP and made a print:

1. Sheet of Canson Montval 300 gsm Watercolour Paper
I had given this sheet a pre-wash in dilute Sulfamic Acid solution to neutralise the buffer, removed the residual acid by giving the sheet a good wash and dried it some time ago.

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2. After coating with the sensitizer

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3. After 15 minutes exposure

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4. Immediately after brushing the developer on the exposed sheet.
Note that there are no loose pigments.

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5. Ten minutes after brushing the developer.
Note that there are no loose pigments.

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6. After the final wash and wiping with blotting paper.

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Hope others following this thread will find this step-by-step pic sequence encouraging and helpful.

And please do let Cor know about this process. Thanks in advance.


-- Raghu
 
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Here are the articles about ferricyanide based sensitizer:



First link is Cor Breukel's adaptation of the second one that was published in Popular Photography.

Is this the mechanism that is responsible for the mixed image - due to the fact that there is excess ferricyanide in the sensitizer here? Of course, it does not explain similar behavior using standard formula and incorporating the ferricyanide in the developer.

Peter Friedrichsen (I forget his handle here, ah I remember now - @PGum, hopefully he will see this and chime in) also discussed something similar here:


:Niranjan.

P.S. In any case, while we talk about the mechanism/chemistry etc, it looks like Raghu's process really works - I can't wait to try it but for the fact that I am currently out of commission since I moved to a new place and I have yet to set up my dim room.
 
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3. After 15 minutes exposure

This already looks very different from my post-exposure sheets, which look much more like typical cyanotypes after exposure: more pale hues, more cyan. Yours look more saturated, the solarized/bronzed shadows are darker and the hue is more magenta.

The resulting prints I've made so far on critical examination show no signs of any conversion/capture of copper into a ferro/ferri-based compound. They really just show a copper nanoparticle fog overlayed on top of a cyanotype print. I've a feeling I'm missing something very crucial, but re-reading your process steps I can't seem to put my finger on it.

If you PM me your address, I'll get some sheets of paper in the mail so you can play with them; don't worry about payment, I expect none.

I hope to be doing more tests later! In the meantime thanks once more for your diligence in documenting this process and communicating about it; this speeds things up considerably!
 
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Here are the articles about ferricyanide based sensitizer:



First link is Cor Breukel's adaptation of the second one that was published in Popular Photography.

Is this the mechanism that is responsible for the mixed image - due to the fact that there is excess ferricyanide in the sensitizer here? Of course, it does not explain similar behavior using standard formula and incorporating the ferricyanide in the developer.

Peter Friedrichsen (I forget his handle here, ah I remember now - @PGum, hopefully he will see this and chime in) also discussed something similar here:


:Niranjan.

Thanks Niranjan for the links.

I'm familiar with this process and I've made some Cuprotypes following Cor's instructions. I think in this process, UV light reduces Ferricyanide to Ferrocyanide which then forms CF with Cu2+. This is a completely printing-out process using a variant of (concentrated) Copper Toner as the sensitiser. Quite a simple process from the pov of practitioners compared to other Cuprotype processes. However, the coated paper starts fogging very quickly and needs to be exposed as soon as it is dry. There's noticeable stain too.

In my explorations, one of the processes I studied initially was a simple adaption of Cor's process. I added a little FAC to the sensitizer and developed the print in dilute Sulfamic acid after the exposure. Depending on how long one develops, different shades of purple brown can be obtained. During exposure both CF and PW are formed to different degree based on the proportions. Development in Sulfamic acid converts PW to PB and the combination of CF and PB gives the print the hue I mentioned. I didn't explore further as I found the results of the process described in OP more compelling (to me). :smile:
 

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This is on Schut Laurier, which is what I've used for cyanotypes, salt prints and Van Dyke, always with excellent results without pre-treatment:
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Freshly sensitized; color doesn't shift upon drying.

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After exposing; exposure is definitely on the marginal side, but for a test this should not matter much. Note that the unexposed area does not fog. Note also that the shadows are starting to solarize, but there's no shift towards magenta as shown in @Raghu Kuvempunagar's example. The above is how my cyanotypes always look, so nothing odd so far AFAIK.

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This is immediately after brushing on the developer. Rogue pigment formation starts almost immediately. I brush very quickly to cover the entire sheet and then stop, because from that point I'm just pushing mud about.

I've just done the same process on the same paper that I soaked in 1% sulfamic acid for ~5 minutes, then rinsed under the tap, dried and sensitized. The result is identical.

In this example I had added ammonium chloride to the sensitizer, but not to the developer. The pigment formation is a little less pronounced with ammonium chloride also added to the developer, but the prints don't really get any better when doing this.

Here's some (not all) of the tests I've done so far when dry:
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They all show the same pattern: a classic cyanotype with some copper precipitate overlayed onto it, with the copper deposition being stronger in highlight areas; the copper fogging is under certain conditions (more ammonium chloride) suppressed somewhat in the shadow areas of the cyanotype. I see no other signs of actual interactions of the prussian blue image or a ferrocyanide print out image with the copper sulfate developer; there's no sign of an actual dark image being formed, only pink-over-cyanotype.

It's obvious I'm missing something very crucial here, since usually with processes like these, even on the failed attempts you see some hints of the basic mechanism taking place. I see none in this case.
 
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