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Availability of x-ray film in Europe is virtually nonexistent. The only practical way is to import it from the US. This brings the cost per sheet in the same region as Fomapan, which is in all respects a far superior product.

Ah. I've tried looking for that before, to no avail. Same with lith film.
 

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Those are words I don't see much here... 😉

No, I guess it's inherent for complaints to be spun out more broadly than praise. And of course, this is in relation to x-ray film specifically. After hundreds of sheets in 4x5 through 8x10, I feel very comfortable in that statement. Ektascan B/RA was a relatively OK product for an x-ray film, although the tonality was still quite poor. The double-sided stuff..man, don't get me started. Horrible. Fomapan sheet film has quite effective anti-halation measures, full panchromatic response, there's no mucking about with having to strip one emulsion layer that otherwise just softens the results and creates weird artifacts, it's very easy to develop with perfect evenness in trays, tanks etc. while with xray you have to figure out some kind of freemason's handshake development routine to get decent results, its response to contrast control is normal whereas xray is...well...xray...then there's the scratching issue...The short of it is that you learn to appreciate all those advancements in film technology in the 1900-1970 period or so that we tend to take for granted, but that are left out of x-ray film for a variety of reasons.
 

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Well, FWIW, I've been using mostly Fomapan (unless I needed something Fomapan couldn't do) since the early 2000s when I discovered it (after a couple decades away and growing up thinking Kodak was all there was). I keep telling myself I need to try Kentmere, since it's about the same price and widely reported as better quality controlled, but I have bulk rolls of Fomapan 100 and 400, 4x5 in both as well (and Kentmere isn't yet offered in sheet films) -- so I won't get there soon.

And I've never used X-ray film; in 4x5 it costs as much as Fomapan unless I'm willing/able to recut it from 8x10 myself (and I'm not).
 

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Well, FWIW, I've been using mostly Fomapan (unless I needed something Fomapan couldn't do) since the early 2000s when I discovered it (after a couple decades away and growing up thinking Kodak was all there was). I keep telling myself I need to try Kentmere, since it's about the same price and widely reported as better quality controlled, but I have bulk rolls of Fomapan 100 and 400, 4x5 in both as well (and Kentmere isn't yet offered in sheet films) -- so I won't get there soon.

And I've never used X-ray film; in 4x5 it costs as much as Fomapan unless I'm willing/able to recut it from 8x10 myself (and I'm not).
Ah, Kentmere in sheets! I bet if it ever came to be and was priced near Foma sheet films, it would be an instant hit. I just don't see it happening, but who knows in this strange market atmosphere.
 
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Ah, Kentmere in sheets! I bet if it ever came to be and was priced near Foma sheet films, it would be an instant hit. I just don't see it happening, but who knows in this strange market atmosphere.

I made an inquiry with Ilford (through a friend who manages one of the American retailers) about this, and was told that it won't happen. Apparently there are issues with the Kentmere emulsions not being compatible with the sheet film base and/or the coating process.

Those are words I don't see much here...
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Complaints get far more traction than compliments, sadly.
I started using Fomapan 100 and 400 a few years ago, and although it has poor reciprocity traits, and it's "classic" grain is coarse compared to more modern (IE: more expensive) films, I have used it in sheet film sizes and found it to be quite excellent.
So yes, I agree with Koraks: Fomapan is vastly superior to X-ray films, in every way. It all depends on what you are comparing it to.
 

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The first time I used Foma in sheet film was when I fixed up an old 9X12cm plate camera and needed film for it. Foma 100 9X12cm was the only one I could find. I was surprised in how good that old camera did and also in how Foma 100 turned out in Pyrocat-MC that I was using at that time. I think Foma 100 and even 400 get a bad rap from folks who haven't taken the time to learn how to expose and develop it.
 

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I think Fomapan 100 is a terrific film, but I have run into more QC issues with it than with all other films combined. Mostly pinholes, which are mighty annoying when they get in the middle of your best images, but a couple of instances of what seemed to be strange emulsion defects all over the film area. I still shoot it in roll formats (and 9x12, where it’s usually the only game in town in the US), but I gave up on spending sheet-film money on it.

X-ray film is challenging to handle for sure. I eventually found that my best way to develop it was inside a gallon (~4 litre) plastic bag, so I wasn’t agitating it in contact with anything rigid that could scratch it.

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X-ray film is challenging to handle for sure. I eventually found that my best way to develop it was inside a gallon (~4 litre) plastic bag, so I wasn’t agitating it in contact with anything rigid that could scratch it.

Similarly, I had my best results from xray film in hangers, in a tank. They couldn't touch anything at all.

One of the issues with xray film, though,is you can scratch it by pulling it out of the box. If at all possible, it should be lifted out, not slid across other sheets.

And I've never used X-ray film; in 4x5 it costs as much as Fomapan unless I'm willing/able to recut it from 8x10 myself (and I'm not).

Well, it is pretty simple to cut, since the safelight can be on. But it's mostly not worth messing with.
 
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