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Hi all,

Is there anything up with the availability og 8x10 sheet film these days? Both of the films I use the most, T-Max 400 and Ilford Ortho Plus, isn't available right now. The availability of T-Max 400 hasnt always been the best, but Ortho Plus has usually been available.

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I just check a U.S seller, 17 emulsions in stock, including Ortho and Tmax 400, I just ordered Foma 100 in 4X5

 

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I just check a U.S seller, 17 emulsions in stock, including Ortho and Tmax 400, I just ordered Foma 100 in 4X5


Paul, I'm not sure the availability of films in N America is of value to the OP buying film in Norway?
 

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As may be clear from Paul's observation, issues of availability are often related to issues in the distribution chain.
Particularly for product that might only be manufactured once or twice a year, if then.
 

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As may be clear from Paul's observation, issues of availability are often related to issues in the distribution chain.
Particularly for product that might only be manufactured once or twice a year, if then.

Matt, I still don't think it's as clear....considering that Norway has a population of 5.5 million people.... The number of 8x10 users must be tiny, so it's not surprising that fotoimport.no might be out of stock.
It's kind of a non sequitur to suggest that "I just bought 4x5(in the USA)" .....has any correlation to "I can't find 8x10(in Norway)"
 

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Matt, I still don't think it's as clear....considering that Norway has a population of 5.5 million people.... The number of 8x10 users must be tiny, so it's not surprising that fotoimport.no would be out of stock

Understood Greg - but I don't know that @pkr1979 is restricting their search to just one European source.
 
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Thanks guys! Ive ordered from Maco (not 8x10 though), FotoImpex and B&H. Never from Freestyle. For some reason shipping costs with B&H are lower. Not a lot of 8x10 shooters in Norway, so the availability here is naturally not the best.

The fact that Ilford Ortho Plus in 8x10 format is not even listed in Fotoimpex and Maco, the two biggest retailers in Europe, makes me think that it is not expected to be available in the short term.
This is my concern as well.

The last time I set up an email notification for ordering T-Max 8x10" from B&H when it was back in stock, I waited a few days before intending to order, but then they were out again.

In addition of being out of both films at the larger European retailers, they are also out of both at B&H (no Ortho at Freestyle neither).

Maybe its just a bumb in availability, but I cant really remember the last time Ive been waiting so long for either of those two films. Which makes me concerned it may be a more permanent situation.
 

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How about contacting Ilford about there ultra large format (ULF) film programme for 2025 and order direct?

Not all emulsions are made available for that, though.

The film may all be sold. It might be a matter of waiting for Ilford to coat some more. They're probably not doing that very often.

A quick search for "buy 8x10 Ilford ortho uk" came up with here at low stock.
 
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Thanks guys! Ive ordered from Maco (not 8x10 though), FotoImpex and B&H. Never from Freestyle. For some reason shipping costs with B&H are lower. Not a lot of 8x10 shooters in Norway, so the availability here is naturally not the best.
B&H is always going to be the least expensive supplier when it comes to shipping. Here in the USA, they do not charge for shipping at all if you spend $100 (which is VERY easy to do, as you know), and internationally I expect they are still very affordable.
That said, if you want TMY in 8x10, Freestyle has it in stock, and so if they are the only one and you really need it, you'd better buy it while you can. I guess it depends how badly you need it. Have you considered Ilford Delta 100 instead? It's an excellent film.
This is my concern as well.

The last time I set up an email notification for ordering T-Max 8x10" from B&H when it was back in stock, I waited a few days before intending to order, but then they were out again.

In addition of being out of both films at the larger European retailers, they are also out of both at B&H (no Ortho at Freestyle neither).

Maybe its just a bumb in availability, but I cant really remember the last time Ive been waiting so long for either of those two films. Which makes me concerned it may be a more permanent situation.

Perhaps contact Harman/Ilford directly and inquire? My impression is that Ortho in 8x10 is very much a niche product, and they sell very little of it. I'm betting they sell just enough to make production of it worth their trouble - barely. If it were me, I wouldn't adopt a niche product and make it something I relied upon heavily, because you just never know when a film might be discontinued, especially something as niche as Ortho Plus 8x10. I don't expect T-max 8x10 to go away anytime soon - I think too many people use and love that film, in spite of its outrageous cost. Its current scarcity is likely just an anomaly.

If you need a "red blind" material, have you considered wet plate collodion? It's certainly more labor intensive, but it is very much an "Ortho" material and can produce great results. I used Ortho Plus in 4x5 many years ago and found it to be a bit of an odd film. Very nice, but odd, in that it didn't behave as I expected an Orthochromatic film to behave: it was capable of rendering clear blue skies with clouds, where I wouldn't expect to see much differentiation.

Question: are you working with Ortho Plus because you can develop it by inspection, under a safelight? Is that what appeals to you, or is it other traits you use it for?
 
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What about HP5, or other Ilford films? I've never had a problem sourcing them in 8x10. Then on the cheaper side, there's CatLABS 80... I'm also having heaps of fun with X-ray, when I want that ortho look.
 

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Ilford Ortho Plus in 8x10 is likely going to be available only as a part of ULF run. Last year there was a separate ULF run for Ortho after regular ULF run in sizes from 4x5 all the way up to 50.8cm x 30m.

Canadian distributor removed 8x10 Ortho from the list. I planned to try it and stock it but it wasn't available. There's new Foma Ortho 400 stock in 4x5 and 8x10 that I didn't have a chance to try yet.
This year's ULF run should be open later this month if it follows previous year's timing.
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys. I have considered and tried other films (Delta 100, HP5 and also Foma Ortho), but those two films are the films that gives me the look I want (also for the Ortho, its not about developing by inspection under a safelight) - particularly for large format. I will get into collodion eventually, but not until the kids are a little older.

I think the current scarcity for T-Max 400 has lasted a while though. I think its strange if Ortho Plus will be available for the ULF runs only as it has been available for a long time, even before it was available in roll film. You might be right though. I'm awaiting a response from Ilford. I also contacted Kodak, but I am not convinced I will hear from them.
 
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Thanks for all the replies guys. I have considered and tried other films (Delta 100, HP5 and also Foma Ortho), but those two films are the films that gives me the look I want (also for the Ortho, its not about developing by inspection under a safelight) - particularly for large format. I will get into collodion eventually, but not until the kids are a little older.

I think the current scarcity for T-Max 400 has lasted a while though. I think its strange if Ortho Plus will be available for the ULF runs only as it has been available for a long time, even before it was available in roll film. You might be right though. I'm awaiting a response from Ilford. I also contacted Kodak, but I am not convinced I will hear from them.

I have to say, Delta 100 in 8x10 is fantastic.
 

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Foma Ortho 400 was available in 8x10 last I checked. It's about €87 for 25 sheets.
 

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Matt, I still don't think it's as clear....considering that Norway has a population of 5.5 million people.... The number of 8x10 users must be tiny, so it's not surprising that fotoimport.no might be out of stock.
It's kind of a non sequitur to suggest that "I just bought 4x5(in the USA)" .....has any correlation to "I can't find 8x10(in Norway)"
I've had very good experiences with contacting fotoimport directly, though, they're willing to try to source stuff not listed in the web store. Ilford Ortho is also listed at Stavangerfoto.no, though it's ordered on request rather than stocked.

Keep in mind that Catlabs X80 is Fomapan, so if you buy that, you're just buying Fomapan.
I didn't know that, actually. Fomapan is readily and cheaply available here.
 

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Another possibility (though I can't speak to availability in Norway) is Fuji HR-U X-ray film. It's green-sensitive, which is x-ray speak for orthochromatic, and (at least in the US before tariffs) was recently available for around US$40 for a box of 100 in 8x10. Effective ISO is 25-100, depending on the light (like any ortho film, it's slower near sunrise or sunset, faster near midday). Most actual x-rays are digital now, but apparently there are still enough users making them on film to keep that line going.
 
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