You look but you don't see.
And sometimes other people can make me see what I couldn't grasp before.
I have a copy of the book 'Henri Cartier Bresson: Photographer', originally published by Delpire in 1979. As I understand it, the book's contents were selected by HCB with Delpire, so they can be considered to be HCB's idea of 'My Personal Best'. Of course I am in awe of HCB, and always enjoy this book when I pull it off the shelf. Actually it omits some of my favourite HCB photos, while it includes a few that leave me wondering why they were included. This is one example. I just don't see anything special about it. Can anyone make me see what HCB saw in it, among so many gems?
@cliveh: this might be up your street?
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It's not an all or nothing relationship...knowing the historical context or the inspiration behind a work can add an additional level of understanding.If a history lesson is required to see the reason a photo was taken or exists at all, then the history lesson is the important bit and displaces the photo as secondary...
So, AFAICT (as far as I can tell) all the musing going on here is just because it is an HCB photograph.
I applaud everything you say here, except to gently correct you over HCB’s landscapes. There are some well-known HCB landscapes without people, but they do also have the strong geometric composition one learns to expect of HCB.Of course it is. And that's what's interesting about it, why we shouldn't dismiss the inquiry simply as musings.
This photograph departs from everything we know about Cartier-Bresson. It's a landscape without people, which he never did. There is no geometric principle at work in the composition, which we know was fundamental for him. In fact, you could find many aesthetic elements in this photo that could make you doubt that it's even a Cartier-Bresson, as there are few photographers with a signature as distinctive as his. Yet not only is he the one who took it, not only did he take it despite it seemingly not conforming to his aesthetic persona, but he included it in a book meant as a restrospective of his favoured works.
Therefore, the picture had meaning to him. And this is what makes the conversation interesting. It forces us move away from generalities regarding geometry and composition and form and beauty and personal preferences (I like it / I don't like it) to ask the question Why did he take this. And this in turn takes us to the very question of meaning in photography.
Because in our appreciation of photographs, if not in our own photography, we put so much emphasis on composition and its elements, we tend to forget, omit or refuse to admit that photography can also be about meaning, that a photograph can be looked at from the point of view of its meaning—or possible meaning—rather than through compositional elements such as geometry, balance, color, tonality, etc.
I don't know if my hypothesis that this is a photograph related to the place where Cartier-Bresson hid after escaping from a German prison camp. But say it is. And say it's the reason he included it in his choice of his most favoured photographs. This forces you to look at it differently—to look at it as meaningful rather than trying to see the compositional elements that would make it a "good" photograph. You look at it with his eyes, and, through empathy, understand what is moving about the place and why he took it.
Sometimes meaning is irrelevant and it's about composition, and sometimes composition is irrelevant and it's about meaning. Photography allows both, and all nuances in between.
I do think it's great to be reminded that looking at a photography, as, I believe, Stephen Shore wrote (or maybe it was John Swarkovski?) is also asking the question Why did someone think this was interesting enough to take a photo of it.
I like this photo because it reminds me of Robert Adams' eloquent words (when is he not eloquent?): "Landscape pictures can offer us, I think, three verities—geography, autobiography, and metaphor."
This tread brings-up the question. Has a artist the obligation to please his audience ? Then in ultimate he will only being mirroring the taste of his audience. If it’s not to your liking just pass it on in a civilised manner .
I would think that while an artist is financially dependent on sales, he is bound to try to please his audience. (Perhaps ‘please’ is the wrong word in the case of some artists, but I think we know what we mean.) Success must be liberating in that sense, and certainly by the 1970s/80s HCB must have felt free to include whichever photos he damn well wanted in this selection. The publisher might not have felt quite the same, but this title was a dead cert anyway.This tread brings-up the question. Has a artist the obligation to please his audience ? Then in ultimate he will only being mirroring the taste of his audience. If it’s not to your liking just pass it on in a civilised manner .
I would say that the successful artists I am friends with would never admit it but I know it's in their calculous.
I don't know if my hypothesis that this is a photograph related to the place where Cartier-Bresson hid after escaping from a German prison camp. But say it is. And say it's the reason he included it in his choice of his most favoured photographs. This forces you to look at it differently—to look at it as meaningful rather than trying to see the compositional elements that would make it a "good" photograph. You look at it with his eyes, and, through empathy, understand what is moving about the place and why he took it.
It's not an all or nothing relationship...knowing the historical context or the inspiration behind a work can add an additional level of understanding.
Why did someone think this was interesting enough to take a photo of it.
Has a artist the obligation to please his audience ? Then in ultimate he will only being mirroring the taste of his audience.
Just to record the fact that I did laugh at this. Thanks.We need to bear in mind that it's a photo of some neige blanche, and the French are keen on that stuff.
We need to bear in mind that it's a photo of some neige blanche, and the French are keen on that stuff.
I wonder which f/stop he used...
But until then, I'm forced to look at it for what it is..
If the photo was by Dagwood Bumstead, no one would think it was significant at all.
Dagwood Bumstead
If it had been a photo taken by someone with a very different body of work, we probably wouldn't be discussing it.
........................ but figuring out what exactly it is they are is a long and arduous task.
As has been referenced earlier, part of the photo's fascination comes from the fact that HCB chose it. If it had been a photo taken by someone with a very different body of work, we probably wouldn't be discussing it.
I applaud everything you say here, except to gently correct you over HCB’s landscapes. There are some well-known HCB landscapes without people, but they do also have the strong geometric composition one learns to expect of HCB.
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