I just joined Photrio, but largely because of this thread. I've been reading a bunch (not all) of the website - first, thank you, Zach! I found this thread because I just stumbled upon a Pentax 645 (which I have long wanted) that has a 70mm back (and nothing else - not even the extender for the eyepiece, nor a grip). I didn't intend to get into 70mm, but because it's there, why not?
I'm a bit confused by the site's treatment of film stocks, in particular the 65/70 differences as they relate to the Pentax 645 70mm insert. My confusion is specifically around what film to start with. I don't really want to modify the insert right away, but would like to shoot 70mm first, see if it's even something I want to keep doing. What should I be looking for in terms of film stocks? I see Type I & II perfs discussed in this thread, and it seems if I read things correctly that unperfed film won't work in this insert. So should I just be looking for basic 70mm motion picture film and not worrying about anything else? I would like to shoot color, but am not opposed to BW (I am set up for color processing right now - C41 or ECN-2, either one), but have not processed BW myself since high school many many many moons ago.
Sorry if this is already out there - admittedly, I may be missing some comprehension.
Thanks!
I just joined Photrio, but largely because of this thread. I've been reading a bunch (not all) of the website - first, thank you, Zach! I found this thread because I just stumbled upon a Pentax 645 (which I have long wanted) that has a 70mm back (and nothing else - not even the extender for the eyepiece, nor a grip). I didn't intend to get into 70mm, but because it's there, why not?
I'm a bit confused by the site's treatment of film stocks, in particular the 65/70 differences as they relate to the Pentax 645 70mm insert. My confusion is specifically around what film to start with. I don't really want to modify the insert right away, but would like to shoot 70mm first, see if it's even something I want to keep doing. What should I be looking for in terms of film stocks? I see Type I & II perfs discussed in this thread, and it seems if I read things correctly that unperfed film won't work in this insert. So should I just be looking for basic 70mm motion picture film and not worrying about anything else? I would like to shoot color, but am not opposed to BW (I am set up for color processing right now - C41 or ECN-2, either one), but have not processed BW myself since high school many many many moons ago.
Sorry if this is already out there - admittedly, I may be missing some comprehension.
Thanks!
I just joined Photrio, but largely because of this thread. I've been reading a bunch (not all) of the website - first, thank you, Zach! I found this thread because I just stumbled upon a Pentax 645 (which I have long wanted) that has a 70mm back (and nothing else - not even the extender for the eyepiece, nor a grip). I didn't intend to get into 70mm, but because it's there, why not?
I'm a bit confused by the site's treatment of film stocks, in particular the 65/70 differences as they relate to the Pentax 645 70mm insert. My confusion is specifically around what film to start with. I don't really want to modify the insert right away, but would like to shoot 70mm first, see if it's even something I want to keep doing. What should I be looking for in terms of film stocks? I see Type I & II perfs discussed in this thread, and it seems if I read things correctly that unperfed film won't work in this insert. So should I just be looking for basic 70mm motion picture film and not worrying about anything else? I would like to shoot color, but am not opposed to BW (I am set up for color processing right now - C41 or ECN-2, either one), but have not processed BW myself since high school many many many moons ago.
Sorry if this is already out there - admittedly, I may be missing some comprehension.
Thanks!
I just joined Photrio, but largely because of this thread. I've been reading a bunch (not all) of the website - first, thank you, Zach! I found this thread because I just stumbled upon a Pentax 645 (which I have long wanted) that has a 70mm back (and nothing else - not even the extender for the eyepiece, nor a grip). I didn't intend to get into 70mm, but because it's there, why not?
I'm a bit confused by the site's treatment of film stocks, in particular the 65/70 differences as they relate to the Pentax 645 70mm insert. My confusion is specifically around what film to start with. I don't really want to modify the insert right away, but would like to shoot 70mm first, see if it's even something I want to keep doing. What should I be looking for in terms of film stocks? I see Type I & II perfs discussed in this thread, and it seems if I read things correctly that unperfed film won't work in this insert. So should I just be looking for basic 70mm motion picture film and not worrying about anything else? I would like to shoot color, but am not opposed to BW (I am set up for color processing right now - C41 or ECN-2, either one), but have not processed BW myself since high school many many many moons ago.
Sorry if this is already out there - admittedly, I may be missing some comprehension.
Thanks!
Hello, Zach - and the others, e.g. film4eva - et.al.;
my name is Jan-Peter from Southern Germany - and first of all I want to thank you very much for this thread! - Here I want to give my report on the 70-mm-experience:
In summer 1985, long time ago, I got my Hasselblad 500 C/M brand new with the Planar CF-80mm, the Distagon CF-50mm, the Sonnar CF-150mm and three A.12 magazins/backs. - By the time I added up with the legendary Distagon CF-50mm und the Tessar CF-350mm, as well as several other back, such as A.16 and A.24.
Two years ago, in autumn/fall 2022 I fnally got hold of my first A.70 back from a daughter of someone who gave up analogue photography that would include 7 cartridges filled with very oulde Plus-X-70mm-film. - I had this A.70 back serviced by Peter Gierens a very nice guy near Cologne in Germany who has good knowledge and is trading real fair.
Now I had to develop these films. I took two Paterson spirals, vice-versa, to fit the 70mm distance between them and had the usual go with Ilford ID-11, 1+3, 22°C an approx. 16 mins. They came out real well though with a fairly darkened mask. - However this method need a good patience to feed the reels, though I never had the problem that parts of the film would stick together during the processing, no wheeling, but "shaking" the tanks. - The disadvantage of using the usual Paterson reels is that you have to cut a full lenght film of approx. 5 mtrs twice meaning that you lose two prints and wich you cannot really predict what prints these will be - though obiously they will not be on the end or beginning or in the middle of a 5 mtrs-lenght 70mm-film.
After drying these 70mm-films with pegs in front of a window leaving them for maybe three or four hours I cut them in 3-prints lenghts and put them in these usual pergamin sleeves or "pages" DIN-4-sized. They just fit in there.
Of course I wanted to enlarge the negatives. - I have two Durst BW-605 enlargers, one at our home at LAke Constance, the other in our second home on Italian Lake Como, actually Lago Mezzola, VAl CHiavenna - and also a Durst Laborator 138. - I got hold of another/second negative carrier for the Durst 605 and took out the format holders for 35mm and 120 negatives - thus I can freely move the 70mm-film in the carrier and can enlarge prints nearly any size - actually I enlarge small sizes for the album - and 12x12" and 20x20" sizes for framing - and it works really well.
Enlarging with the Durst Laborator 138 is a lot more comfortable with large sizes - however I have no solution for the "extra-wide" 70mm; I think I will get an extra Lapfe mask probably from someone who can do these on a 3D-printer.
As I did proceed really well I bought some of the large 85 mtrs. rolls of the Agfa Aviphot 200, perforated, from this seller in India - and have very good results in Ilford ID-11, 1+3, 22°C and 22 mins - or also 20°C and 28 mins. - The big advantage of this Aviphot that it has an enlarged range for infrared photography! -Thus you can take a photo as a usual b&w photo as well as an infrared photo.
However for this moment I have two questions: (a) Recently I got hold of four 45 mtrs rolls of this Aviphot 200 films which is obviously un-perforated. - When I use my standard Hasselblad A.70 back I can frankly use it as well however would not have the counter to run along - or won't it work at all? - (b) If I simply may directly ask: Is this Mercuy Murnau 100 70-mm film the same as the Rollei Retro 80S - just changing the name - or is this Murnau film a newly or freshly coated emulsion on a film basis? - I know the Rollei Retro 80S fairly well and have entirely no objections.
Item: I would join everyone in using 70mm film indeed - and want to thank Zach very much indeed for this wonderful encouraging and informative thread - and his website!!
Jan-Peter
I suppose I should dig out my Hassie 70mm back and load some cartridges with slightly expired Ilford FP4 (no +) film and get out the big SS reel and tank. Check with me again in a couple of years.
However for this moment I have two questions: (a) Recently I got hold of four 45 mtrs rolls of this Aviphot 200 films which is obviously un-perforated. - When I use my standard Hasselblad A.70 back I can frankly use it as well however would not have the counter to run along - or won't it work at all? - (b) If I simply may directly ask: Is this Mercuy Murnau 100 70-mm film the same as the Rollei Retro 80S - just changing the name - or is this Murnau film a newly or freshly coated emulsion on a film basis? - I know the Rollei Retro 80S fairly well and have entirely no objections.
Item: I would join everyone in using 70mm film indeed - and want to thank Zach very much indeed for this wonderful encouraging and informative thread - and his website!!
Zach,
I just finally bought a roll of 65 from your site, after finding an eyepiece extender for the 645 70mm insert. I have read the news that Kodak will stop sales of Vision 3 to all but bona fide motion picture productions, though I don't know the details. Can you say whether or not Mercury is affected by that? And if so, will you be exploring alternatives like the Ilford annual special order (for example)?
Thanks!
Mercury Works has not been affected by this, for a number of reasons. We work within the motion picture industry.
Separately, we also have our own line of 70mm BW film. And we also work with Ilford to deliver 70mm to folks annually. We delivered a lot of 70mm HP5+ to customers just last month! (And incidentally, still have some fresh 46mm available for sale.)
As long as you are subscribed to our email announcements list and select "65mm" and "70mm" as format options when you sign up, you'll receive any future announcements about film availability!
Cheers,
Zach
This is excellent news! Thanks so much for your answer. I'm glad I won't be forced to buy lots of film before I'm quite convinced that this is a format I want to stick with.Mercury Works has not been affected by this, for a number of reasons. We work within the motion picture industry.
Separately, we also have our own line of 70mm BW film. And we also work with Ilford to deliver 70mm to folks annually. We delivered a lot of 70mm HP5+ to customers just last month! (And incidentally, still have some fresh 46mm available for sale.)
As long as you are subscribed to our email announcements list and select "65mm" and "70mm" as format options when you sign up, you'll receive any future announcements about film availability!
Cheers,
Zach
Oh I’ve shot plenty, and I have gotten good results. Unfortunately not as cheap anymore. $80 for 100 ft of 2005 dated film. I used to buy 2 packs of 150 ft cans dated 12/2012 for $100… yeah fresh stuff is more expensive but not expensive enough that I feel like the expired stuff is worth it. Hell I can even get rolls of fresh 7.5” and 9.5” film!Don’t forget all the cheap (ish) Aviphot 70mm film available on eBay. Very nice film to work with. I test Cirkut gears / lenses with it. Also slides into a piece of 2” sewer pipe easy for development.
Just got my hands on an RH50 back, and an adapter for use on the RB67 is getting printed.
Surprisingly, it’s about the same weight as my motorized back (actually lighter without film). it is slightly larger in width, but hight and depth are about the same. Though, I personally don’t mind the slight size increase. I have an RB67, size isn’t exactly a big concern lol. Plus, I got it for $10 with a set of cassettes, well worth the 98% discount compared to the actual backs you can buy on eBay I think.My eyes are bulging imagining the size and weight of this combo!
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