Experience with Harman Ilford Direct Postive

richyd

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I have been working on project creating direct 8x10 prints using Ilford DPP paper. These worked quite well but…

I tested first with 4x5 having used it before and discovered that I had to rate the latest box around ISO 6. I had to convince myself that I had not made some mistake as previous boxes ISO 3 or maybe 4 was order of the day. I also played with using a yellow filter and pre flashing in camera.

I found with the 8x10 I got a different response but quickly, without wasting too many sheets, found that ISO 4 gave pretty consistent results. I used a yellow filter which usually brought in some sky and cloud definition if there was any. Yellow filter says add 1 stop but meter difference through the filter was 1/2 - 2/3 stop. I generally used +1. I also pre-flashed or actually post-flashed by metering through a filter of two sheets of tracing paper and then exposing through the filter at -3 stops from that reading.

For developing I used Ilford PQ 1+9 for 3 mins in a rotary tube hand rolled on a Jobo base. This gave good consistent results with the above parameters.

With the second box I ran off 4 exposures and on all of them I got this mottling effect. I tried with another 2 and got the same. I noticed the batch number was lower sequence than the previous box, contacted B&H and they replaced it. [I’m in US for this but based UK]. I also noticed that dMax was a little weaker so thought that maybe all the issues might be to the PQ developer. With my 4x5 testing I noticed it has to be crystal clear fresh else results suffer, but this was with a 2 week old concentrate half full.

The replacement box arrived and I had decided to try another developer as I though that might be the cause. I only had Dektol and with a little experimentation found that a dilution of 1+3 for 2 mins gave good results. I’m sick of PQ and its short life but Dektol is too expensive in UK so will try Champion Suprol that I have used as a substitute for PQ when reversal developing film.

I also experimented a little with Foma PW developer. With a 4x5 sheet I found I had to use full strength for 5:30 min, which is long but the contrast appeared better controlled to the extent that it appeared a little flat. Trying an 8x10 sheet, after 6:30 min didn't look like it was getting further so I stopped it. The developer become brown, the photo dMax was poor. Looks promising but leaves me to the conclusion that Ilford might use their resources to produce a specific developer for this material as Adox and Foma do for some particular film emulsions they produce.

In conclusion for Harman DPP 8x10, in most situations I got acceptable results I was looking for with these parameters.

Rated at ISO 4 (different to 4x5 )
Use yellow filter +1 stop
Pre (post)-flash in camera through diffusion filter at -3 stops from diffusion meter reading.
Develop in Dektol 1+3 for 2mins tray or rotary. For rotary I found I had to use at least 200ml solutions for good results. Use once. I managed to create a dark space in a walk in cupboard so at night could develop in trays and got similar results.



 

cramej

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The scan quality is very poor so it's hard to tell what the mottling is.
 

pentaxuser

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Also and this might be the scanner as well but should the pictures be so high contrast?. They resemble what is called the soot and whitewash look with almost no shadow detail at all.

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richyd

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The scans are very poor I only have access to an office scanner. They both show some mottling but looks worse from the scan and are from the same batch.

The contrast is partially scanner but high contrast is the nature of the beast hence pre-flashing and yellow filter as methods to help reduce in strong sun.
 
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