Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

fdonadio · Nov 24, 2016

flavio81 said:
(...) talk in a loud way for no reason at all while gesticulating widly with my hands, and so on.

Michael Guzzi said:
+1. It should all be mandatory for all people with italian heritage

Yes, especially the part I quoted above.

Cheers,
Flavio

Diapositivo · Nov 25, 2016

There are some bad news.
Very intense rains in Piedmont and Liguria have flooded several places.
The Ligurian province of Savona was also involved. The town of Cairo Montenotte is reported to be flooded by the Bormida river.
As you well know, Ferrania is a suburb in the municipality of Cairo Montenotte.
So far no missing person is reported in the entire province of Savona, which is the "good news".

Yet, I am more than a bit worried about the state of the factory. Ferrania is about 6 km away, as the crow flies, from Cairo Montenotte downtown.

twelvetone12 · Nov 25, 2016

Bormida actually passes *in* the factory, but the factory seems high in the hill in respect to Cairo Montenotte.

Nzoomed · Nov 25, 2016

Im sure we will get an update from Dave, fingers crossed the factory is OK.

If the area has a history of flooding i think we would know by now if the ferrania plant has been affected in the past...

Black Dog · Nov 25, 2016

flavio81 said:
Note that Vision is ECN-2 process, not C41 process, and that is a lower contrast material.

I would guess that Ektar is different as well due to requirements for higher sharpness compared to Portra, perhaps it has some sort of measures to achieve greater sharpness.

As for Portra, that's the greatest thing that has happened to C41 photography since the Kodak VR film (first T-grain neg consumer film if i recall correctly.)

It was...I remember using VR 1000 when I started taking photographs in 1982.

Photo Engineer · Nov 25, 2016

These are indeed 3 different films in 2 different processes.

PE

Diapositivo · Nov 26, 2016

Who are these guys?

http://ferrania.it/

They don't just use the name, which might be legal, but the entire brand. I suggest Film Ferrania looks into this.

Truzi · Nov 26, 2016

Interesting find.
Whois claims the registration was created in November 2014, not long after the Kickstarter campaign started. (The filmferannia website was registered in 2009).

Nzoomed · Nov 27, 2016

Thats really weird!

Here is the registered owner according to whois:

Domain: ferrania.it
Status: ok
Created: 2008-01-24 18:10:52
Last Update: 2013-12-13 10:25:36
Expire Date: 2014-05-22

Registrant
Name: Domenico Santimone
Organization: Original Ferrania S.r.l.
ContactID: HOS-0000005642R
Address: Via Pansa 55/i
Reggio Emilia
42124
RE
IT
Created: 2013-12-13 10:24:11
Last Update: 2013-12-13 10:24:11

Admin Contact
Name: Domenico Santimone
Organization: Original Ferrania S.r.l.
ContactID: HOS-0000005642R
Address: Via Pansa 55/i
Reggio Emilia
42124
RE
IT
Created: 2013-12-13 10:24:11
Last Update: 2013-12-13 10:24:11

Technical Contacts
Name: Domenico Santimone
Organization: Original Ferrania S.r.l.
ContactID: HOS-0000005642R
Address: Via Pansa 55/i
Reggio Emilia
42124
RE
IT
Created: 2013-12-13 10:24:11
Last Update: 2013-12-13 10:24:11

Registrar
Organization: Hostek s.r.l.
Name: HOSTEK-REG
Web: http://www.hostek.it

Nameservers
dns1.hostek.it
dns2.hostek.it

Diapositivo · Nov 27, 2016

It seems that these guys wanted to buy or acquire rights to a domain and commercial name to resell it to Film Ferrania in the future.
The question which arises is if, during the bankruptcy proceeding of Ferrania, the name and trademarks have been sold to this guys.

If they were, the Ferrania brands are in jeopardy.
If they weren't, action should be undertaken against these people.

MattKing · Nov 27, 2016

This sort of thing happens all the time. People register a domain name, planning to re-sell it at a profit to someone who will actually want to use it.

In this part of the world, there is nothing to prevent anyone from doing that.

It is wrong in law to use a website to misrepresent oneself though, so the owner of that domain would get into trouble (here) if they started to sell film with a similar brand name.

Diapositivo · Nov 28, 2016

MattKing said:
This sort of thing happens all the time. People register a domain name, planning to re-sell it at a profit to someone who will actually want to use it.

In this part of the world, there is nothing to prevent anyone from doing that.

It is wrong in law to use a website to misrepresent oneself though, so the owner of that domain would get into trouble (here) if they started to sell film with a similar brand name.

Yes the domain name trick is common also here, someone registers the domain name similar to a famous one, then they put a page saying "this domain name is on sale". This is common.

But in this case the person registered a commercial name, and then in addition apparently or supposedly stole the trademark for that business and put the stolen trademark on the website, which is something I never saw.
By driving traffic to a name with an apparently legitimate affiliation to Ferrania he is inducing people in believing that his is actually Ferrania'a web site, thus certainly damaging Ferrania's business.
Unless, that is, he has some legitimate claim to the trademark.

FILM Ferrania · Nov 28, 2016

Diapositivo said:
Who are these guys?

http://ferrania.it/

They don't just use the name, which might be legal, but the entire brand. I suggest Film Ferrania looks into this.

According to Nicola Baldini:
"Long story. Ferrania Technologies sold the ink jet business unit - before we arrived - to an Italian company that basically acquired the old stock of paper."

Evidently, Ferrania Technologies is pursuing litigation. Unfortunately, Italy does not have the same "cyber-squatting" laws as the US...

FILM Ferrania · Nov 28, 2016

Nzoomed said:
Im sure we will get an update from Dave, fingers crossed the factory is OK.

If the area has a history of flooding i think we would know by now if the ferrania plant has been affected in the past...

Direct from Nicola:
"Yes really big problems during past days. The LRF is on a little hill and the water did not arrive. In any case we lost one day of work moving things from the basement just in case."

He didn't say if it happened in the past. He is probably unsure. But it seems safe to say that this is not the first time the Bormida has flooded...

Nzoomed · Nov 28, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
Direct from Nicola:
"Yes really big problems during past days. The LRF is on a little hill and the water did not arrive. In any case we lost one day of work moving things from the basement just in case."

He didn't say if it happened in the past. He is probably unsure. But it seems safe to say that this is not the first time the Bormida has flooded...

Well thats good news indeed that the LRF is safe! Look forward to the next update.

flavio81 · Dec 6, 2016

Hi Dave,

Is there any news? There has been no update since some weeks, i think!!

Prest_400 · Dec 8, 2016

flavio81 said:
Hi Dave,

Is there any news? There has been no update since some weeks, i think!!

Well, a couple weeks. And more or less left to christmas
I guess that a stage of testing and sensitising will be finished in these 2-3 weeks, taking into account the effect of the Christmas rest on materials and production.

FILM Ferrania · Dec 12, 2016

I've just returned from Italy!

The next update (tomorrow?) will be a personal account of my visit. What I saw, who I met, and what happened while I was there...

I will also address the lack of updates that have happened from time to time over the last couple of years.

Prest_400 · Dec 12, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
I've just returned from Italy!

The next update (tomorrow?) will be a personal account of my visit. What I saw, who I met, and what happened while I was there...

I will also address the lack of updates that have happened from time to time over the last couple of years.

Wohoo! I feel guilty for being rather close and not visiting the country properly. Maybe when factory tours are offered...

Will be awaiting the update. Hopefully everything is going well at Ferrania, and the Christmas halt doesn't leave things in the air for long.

twelvetone12 · Dec 12, 2016

Ahhh please know Dave, that I'm dying of envy right now. looking forward to the update!

flavio81 · Dec 12, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
I've just returned from Italy!

The next update (tomorrow?) will be a personal account of my visit. What I saw, who I met, and what happened while I was there...

I will also address the lack of updates that have happened from time to time over the last couple of years.

Excellent news!!

Nzoomed · Dec 13, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
I've just returned from Italy!

The next update (tomorrow?) will be a personal account of my visit. What I saw, who I met, and what happened while I was there...

I will also address the lack of updates that have happened from time to time over the last couple of years.

Awesome! Cant wait!

DaveTheWalker · Dec 19, 2016

Hey, Dave,

I know you're all pretty busy... but it has been a week since you said you'd be sharing an update "tomorrow" Got any scraps of news to throw to us?

Cheers!
Dave

FILM Ferrania · Dec 20, 2016

davidwalkersharpe said:
Hey, Dave,

I know you're all pretty busy... but it has been a week since you said you'd be sharing an update "tomorrow" Got any scraps of news to throw to us?

Cheers!
Dave

I'm really having a hard time writing this update... My experience was overwhelming on many levels. Also, no one, including me, would have read my first draft... It's coming, I promise.

flavio81 · Dec 20, 2016

FILM Ferrania said:
My experience was overwhelming on many levels.

Too many of Ezio's "Negroni"?

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