I last used a magnetic stirrer around 30 years ago, it was an industrial model capable of handling 20 litres of solution; there was another stirrer which I never got to use which handled up to 500ml. Back then the cost of magnetic stirrers in this country was prohibitive, now it seems as though every person needs a magnetic stirrer for all sorts of things, including cooking food; which I find a fascinating development of this probably once pure scientific tool.
I would like something that can handle up to 2.5 litres of solution, which is when I mix chemistry for paper developer. Looking around the web at Australian based suppliers, there seems to be a plethora of units with varying degrees of doodads which, within reason, seem surplus to my requirements, or maybe not.
The main extra seems to be one with heating capability, which invariably has a temperature sensor held by a swinging frame into your solution. Photographically speaking I pretty much use 50ºC as my starting temperature using the inbuilt temperature monitor (Tel-Tru) on my darkroom over the sink water pipe. Fill whatever container I'm using to approximately 65% of the intended maximum and start from there. I have a standby jug of water with the same temperature with which I rinse my containers out after depositing dry chemistry into the solution; placing that rinse into the solution.
My 3 litre glass mixing container calibrated to 2500ml, is pretty much what I use for paper developer and such, it has a base of 115mm diameter and would work perfectly with this unit. For film developers I work from 500ml through to around 2000ml with three sizes of containers. These days I'm mixing chemistry close to once a week, mainly film developer, and although I don't mind spending 30 minutes or so getting all chemistry into solution using a Paterson hand mixer (on my third one in 40 years), I could be doing something else in the darkroom while the chemistry was being mixed into solution.
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On the other hand spending a bit more, adds a heating element into the unit as well as temperature monitor and so on. My question here is this:- is having a heating possibility by those who have that possibility useful, or something you don't use much, if at all?
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Last but not least, is having different sized stirring bars a requirement, bearing in mind my differing solution capacities being stirred? Or is a bigger one in small solutions running slower, just as good as a small one going like the clappers? Perhaps there is a stirring bar size to revolution ratio formula, which indicates which size range of stirring bar is better suited to a certain range of solution size? Thinking of vortex size here.
The Triethanolamine (TEA) used in 510 Pyro needs to be raised to 80c according to the instructions that I follow.
Koraks, interesting information and pretty much why I asked the question about heating or non heating.
Juan, I'm where you are with regard to heating, except I don't have a stirrer of any kind, yet.
Peter Schrager, I looked at the IKA range and the cheapest one in Australia starts at $763.51 AUD plus tax, which doesn't include a temperature sensor. From then on all of their equipment says: Ask for Price, which usually means it won't be cheap. Bit over my pay scale, but I see where you are coming from.
Alan 9940 your description is pushing me further towards a heating magnetic stirrer.......
Nodda Duma, I checked both of those out, pretty much where I'm at and as for the temperature overshooting, yep, once one has zeroed the temperature knob in, things should be alright. That larger one looks great. Landed in Australia, the cheaper one is around $150 AUD, the tyranny of distance from a big market like mainland USA.
Ralph, I like your sense of humour, one could almost see a doctorate happening if one delved far enough into it.
Bob UK, now that is interesting, I've never done Pyro and now that I know one requires 80ºC or thereabouts, that could be the clincher. Probably never do Pyro, but one should never say never, eh!
Now to do some homework on what kind, what size, with what functions.
I'll get back to you on what I decide, meanwhile it is a perfect summer's day, and the rooftop solar is running riot so I can hit the darkroom with the air conditioning on for free, and be a cool cat while I develop some film... Life is so hard being retired.
Koraks , I also used a water bath at first for heating my 510 Pyro but, lots of steam was swirling around the tops of the beakers that I was using. It may be a bit over the top but, I wondered about water vapour getting into the developer and reducing it's shelf life. I now use a sand bath. It is just an old metal pie dish pinched from the kitchen, with an inch of sand in it and the pyrex beaker nestled down into the hot sand.510 pyro is one of the mixes that I use a tempering bath for. Since I rarely mix it, I just accept the minor inconvenience of bringing some water to the boil when I make this recipe.
Having said that, when I bought my stirrer, the heated ones weren't as cheaply available as they are today. I think given the choice today, I'd just get a cheap/simple one with a heater for convenience's sake.
Koraks , I also used a water bath at first for heating my 510 Pyro but, lots of steam was swirling around the tops of the beakers that I was using. ...
Vaughn I never thought about that that way.Since I keep liquids at temperature for long periods of time in a tempering bath, I put a lid on the container to keep water from evaporating from the container. More worries about water leaving that taking it in.
Having a built in hot plate is handy, sometimes the hot plate requires moving the drive magnet so far away that it loses hold of the driven magnet when put under a load. I've seen good and bad.
Thanks for the link Mick. I think that I will take Australia off my travel bucket list.Just don't mention the flies, mosquitoes, crocodiles, snakes. Herds of feral wild camels in arid/desert areas, feral water buffalo in wet areas, pythons and (usually) tree snakes in shower/toilet blocks, Death Adders are another step up though:- https://untamedscience.com/biodiversity/death-adder/
Mick.
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