Medium Format Slide Projector

[punkzter]

I'm in the market for a medium format slide projector. I currently have the Rollei P11, but it jams constantly. I'd like to get something like the Mamiya/Procabin 67-Z, but I have also read that Kindermann made a manually advanced medium format project at one point. I can't seem to find any information on this project. Does anyone happen to know the model number?

 

[wiltw]

Kindermann 8703. I have have had one (pictured) now for over 30 years, but it has been little used since the digital revolution and the demise of so many of my favorite color transparency emulsions.

As I recall, they were quite pricey new, and I paid a few hundred for a used one. They are available via eBay now for only about $100, a real bargain! Sad that slide projectors now end up in trash or thrift shops.

 

[punkzter]

Thanks! It's odd, because I looked up the 8703 on ebay, and it appears to be a different model than the one you have pictured (the only one for sale)

 

[MattKing]

I too have a similar projector that is not immediately at hand right now, so I can't check the model number.
But my understanding is that there were a number of models made over the years.

 

[wiltw]

I too have a similar projector that is not immediately at hand right now, so I can't check the model number.
But my understanding is that there were a number of models made over the years.

Google shows several different ones...

Kindermann 6x6 - Google Search

 

[Sanug]

They are all nearly the same. No important differences as far as I know, but you should have a look at the supplied lens. Many of these projectors are fitted with a poor 3.5/150 mm plastic lens. No fun to use really. A better lens is often offered at a higher price than the projector already equipped with a good lens.

I can recommend the Docter Lumagon 2.8/150 mm. However, a Schneider AV-Xenotar may be even better, but hard to find, and expensive.

 

[punkzter]

So, the manual vs automatic slide transition is what I was concerned about. The 66T, for example, automatically advances the slides. I'd like to avoid that

 

[wiltw]

So, the manual vs automatic slide transition is what I was concerned about. The 66T, for example, automatically advances the slides. I'd like to avoid that

Mine is fully manual. The Diafocus has ports to connect projectors for fade transitions betwen projectors, mine has no such connections.
There is a manual focus vs. autofocus version as well, and some with single FL vs. zoom lenses.

 

[John Wiegerink]

I'm in the market for a medium format slide projector. I currently have the Rollei P11, but it jams constantly. I'd like to get something like the Mamiya/Procabin 67-Z, but I have also read that Kindermann made a manually advanced medium format project at one point. I can't seem to find any information on this project. Does anyone happen to know the model number?

I have a Rollei P11 that runs flawlessly. I also converted it to use the Osram reflector style bulbs. If you want a very inexpensive 2 1/4 + 35mm totally manual slide projector, there is the Ansco Dualette. I have one, and it works very well for both 35mm and 2 1/4 square slides. There are several on the big auction site for about the price of a couple of bags of peanuts. The lens it comes with is adequate, but you might want to upgrade. I think this projector would be ideal for someone that doesn't project slides that often and didn't want to shell out a lot of money. It would be good for viewing medium format transparencies to see if it was their "cup of tea" so to speak.

 

[Hassasin]

They are all nearly the same. No important differences as far as I know, but you should have a look at the supplied lens. Many of these projectors are fitted with a poor 3.5/150 mm plastic lens. No fun to use really. A better lens is often offered at a higher price than the projector already equipped with a good lens.

I can recommend the Docter Lumagon 2.8/150 mm. However, a Schneider AV-Xenotar may be even better, but hard to find, and expensive.

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Which MF projector was supplied with a CHEAP PLASTIC lens ?

 

[MattKing]

Which MF projector was supplied with a CHEAP PLASTIC lens ?

That might be a reference to the lens' housing, as well as the fairly pedestrian performance of the "entry level" lens that was supplied with many of them.
The better lenses are sometimes in metal housings.
In my experience, even the basic lenses permit a satisfying viewing experience in most moderate sized rooms.

 

[mshchem]

I have a Kindermann, totally manual, uses Kindermann plastic trays, works perfectly. 6x6..

 

[Hassasin]

That might be a reference to the lens' housing, as well as the fairly pedestrian performance of the "entry level" lens that was supplied with many of them.
The better lenses are sometimes in metal housings.
In my experience, even the basic lenses permit a satisfying viewing experience in most moderate sized rooms.

While my Rollie’s in both 35 and MF came with top lenses I also had a share of basic lenses in plastic housing. Even that never felt cheap, perhaps that was a wrong choice of words.

 

[Sanug]

So, the manual vs automatic slide transition is what I was concerned about. The 66T, for example, automatically advances the slides. I'd like to avoid that

Why do you want to avoid it? The automatic advance is very reliable. I had never any problem with it.

The lightweight 3.5/105 mm lens does not show how great medium format slides are. I recommend an upgrade to a 2.8/150.

 

[Hassasin]

So, the manual vs automatic slide transition is what I was concerned about. The 66T, for example, automatically advances the slides. I'd like to avoid that

Are you mistaking automatic with some sort of out of your hands slide changes? It simply means with press of button old frame comes out, tray moves a step and next frame goes in. Auto transitions would apply to two or more projectors, connected together with lots of add ons, to make fades, in sync music etc. It then becomes a directed show with countless hours to prepare for minutes of display.

 

[punkzter]

My Rollei P11 jams constantly. It also took quite a bit of work on my part to refurbish a rubber friction wheel inside the unit to even get it working in the first place. That is why I'd like to avoid automatic advance. My experience of the unit is that it is not very reliable, although I am very happy for the folks who have units that are working perfectly.

No, I am not mistaking automatic advancing (push a button to advance) with some other transition method.

 

[Hassasin]

My Rollei P11 jams constantly. It also took quite a bit of work on my part to refurbish a rubber friction wheel inside the unit to even get it working in the first place. That is why I'd like to avoid automatic advance. My experience of the unit is that it is not very reliable, although I am very happy for the folks who have units that are working perfectly.

No, I am not mistaking automatic advancing (push a button to advance) with some other transition method.

In that case you have a Cabin 67 and Linhof, and Leitz Prado 66 offering pure manual operation through and through. There was also a Malisix, I think made in East Germany as it had a Pentacon 150 / 2.8 lens.

 

[Sanug]

The Malisix is built like a tank. Full metal body and a pretty good lens. The low side of the Malisix is the 220 V / 300 W lamp. It becomes very hot, the light is yellowish and not very bright. In Germany the Malisix is quite cheap to get.

 

[outwest]

There's always the Hasselblad projector.

 

[punkzter]

There's always the Hasselblad projector.

If only. It's only just out of my price range.

 

[Hassasin]

There's always the Hasselblad projector.

Its not a manual slide change projector.

 

[punkzter]

That's true. You got me. If I could afford the Hasselblad, I'd probably go for it. And, with my luck, it would then break.

 

[itsdoable]

There's always the Hasselblad projector.

Its not a manual slide change projector.

But it's gravity fed, and almost impervious to jamming. That's what made the Kodak Carrosels so popular and an industry standard. If a slide didn't want to go in, it didn't, and you just progress to the next one.

 

[Hassasin]

But it's gravity fed, and almost impervious to jamming. That's what made the Kodak Carrosels so popular and an industry standard. If a slide didn't want to go in, it didn't, and you just progress to the next one.

How does gravity take a slide upwards ?

 

[mshchem]

My Kindermann has automatic slide advance, just no motor. I pull out the lever that inserts/withdraws the slide, then turn a small plastic wheel that advances/reverses the tray and push the lever back in. It's all very intuitive and gentle on my nerves.

My father had an Airequipt projector when I was a kid. My Dad could run it but he had "the knack" I vowed I would never would have any side insert powered machine like that.

Kodak Carousel machines with the original 80 slide trays work perfectly, this is how Hasselblad projectors work. The only power stroke is lifting the slide up, back into the tray.