The ferricyanide solution is the same yellow color you'd expect. Even though the orange powder is from the 7'0's ,it's fine. And you saw the citrate I'm using. I don't know how old it is but the powder itself is a light yellow-green. I mixed it up in the kitchen in daylight. But even in daylight my kitchen is pretty dark. But as soon as I put the citrate powder in the water, it went dark as can be. And you see the mixed working solution in the jar lid. Black as tar. I developed in city water with a little squirt of peroxide and it does go from gray to blue. Just dingy. No, I used the BACK of the old Agfa paper. But I can already tell this paper doesn't take the mixture very well. Plus the Agfa paper is as dingy looking as it can be. Awful stuff. Guess I ought to throw out this first batch and make up another with distilled water tonight when there's just the tungsten bulbs and no sunshine. It's faster than I thought. Only took 5 minutes in direct March sun to get that print. At that rate, it's be 1or 1 minutes in the July sun I bet.
Concentrated solutions of citrate look almost black.
Better not .ix the stuff up in daylight; it's asking for problems, although with cyanotype, there's a lot of leeway.
Have you tried some random papers you have lying about the house? That's where I'd start.
We could have a cheapskate contest but let’s not. Im 50% Scotch Canadian and a “thrifty” New Englander. The other 50% is depression-era poor. That kind of contest could get brutal.
I’d still suspect the chemical unless eBay supplier was a chemistry supply company. The date on the label scares the heck out of me.
Regarding your first print… it’s actually pretty good. My first print wasn’t that good; I still remember it after all these years.
Last thought for the night. I made up 2 new batches with distilled water this time. It still painted on the paper with a pale de-saturated blue-green. Not the distinct yellow like in the youtube videos. This time I use the backside of some very old Kodabromide single weight paper. It just doesn't paint on as nice as the videos with watercolor paper. It's like the paper won't "take" it unless I were to put a dash of photo-flo in it.
So I guess my idea of salvaging old photo paper was a bad idea. I also think the citrate powder has gotten old and maybe a bit oxidized.
So much for "getting out cheap". I'll make some more test prints tomorrow, but I think It's a fool's economy.
When you get back to this, please post a photo of the ferric ammonium citrate (FAC) powder you're using.
Did you weigh everything out correctly? Your FAC solution looks too concentrated to me. The color seems plausible for a very concentrated solution; more so than what you'd typically use for cyanotype. I prefer to store solutions in clear glass bottles and then store those in the dark. It helps seeing the colors better; it's easier to notice if anything's off.
I've found the "New Cyanotype" chemistry to be very fussy and unpredictable. I stopped trying to work with it. It seemed to me that the more expensive the paper you used, the more likely your results would be garbage. It just washes off Canson Platine and Hahnemuhle Platinum Rag papers. If I were to do any cyanotype work these days, I would use the old recipe - I found it consistently reliable and easy to work with. .
The New Cyanotype formula is sensitive to paper chemistry, and I've also found it requires a strong acid being added to the first rinse for its tonal scale to develop properly. It's certainly more iffy than the classic chemistry.
Low contrast negs a hair on the thin side do best.
Although I don't like brushing on the thin runny solution. I can see the lack of uniformity in my prints. I wonder if there is a way to thicken-up the solution and apply with a roller.
As for the "new" cyanotype process, I'm convinced it likely is superior, IF you had something like a Nuarc vacuum frame platemaker, and a foolproof way of getting the emulsion onto the paper with a high degree of repeatability and uniformity.
There's some posts here on Photrio about toning cyanotypes with a minimum of paper staining. See e.g. here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/on-the-toning-of-cyanotypes.175185/But from what I've studied, you can bleach it and redevelop it to be black (more or less).I haven't seen any process to turn the blue into an actual sepia or brown tone without staining the paper also.
More or less. It'll look quite similar in any case.Although you could probably do the same thing with ordinary silver paper and Edwal blue toner.
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