Very interesting. I think they should include some business courses.
Why not? A few course on simple accounting, how to set up a small business, would be helpful for the photographer who can't find a job and needs to do something on their own like wedding photography.
For a Bachelor degree in Fine Arts?!?!
It isn't a trade school. People don't enroll in a Fine Arts program to learn how to do business as a photographer.
California State University, Sacramento (AKA Sac State) offers a BFA in Photography
...and the program requires two courses (9 units) in "Darkroom Photography"
https://catalog.csus.edu/colleges/arts-letters/design/photography/
There's no reason for artists to starve if they're talented and willing to work hard, but like anyone else, they need to be taught how to make a living with their talent.
If you are pursuing 'art' as a profession, i would argue that a business class is WAY more important for an artist than a tradesman.Yeah, they do. Really. No one enrolls in an art program without hoping to make a living from it, and that's true not only for photographers but for painters, sculptors, etc. A few rich kids who can live off their families' money might not care about making a living, but I can guarantee you that 99% of students today view college as a trade school and find themselves disappointed when they cannot make a living after they graduate (I mean all students, not just art students). There are majors like philosophy with no real world economic prospects, but art is NOT one of them. There's no reason for artists to starve if they're talented and willing to work hard, but like anyone else, they need to be taught how to make a living with their talent.
Yeah, they do. Really. No one enrolls in an art program without hoping to make a living from it, and that's true not only for photographers but for painters, sculptors, etc. A few rich kids who can live off their families' money might not care about making a living, but I can guarantee you that 99% of students today view college as a trade school and find themselves disappointed when they cannot make a living after they graduate (I mean all students, not just art students). There are majors like philosophy with no real world economic prospects, but art is NOT one of them. There's no reason for artists to starve if they're talented and willing to work hard, but like anyone else, they need to be taught how to make a living with their talent.
Very interesting. I think they should include some business courses.
it's a lot more challenging than taking Accounting 101 from the first semester of Business Administration and plugging it into the second year of a BFA.
In my country, it's becoming more customary to have some kind of business-related courses in arts programs. It's quite limited and I can sort of see why. Firstly, there's the argument that if you go for an arts degree, you've decided not to go for a business degree. In business school, we don't teach art, or physics, or chemistry, although any of those might be useful somehow later in one's career. There's always the choice to what extent you're going to include content in the curriculum that's not central to the topic, and the decision is generally to keep things focused.
That's not a matter of making money from attracting students; there's no real argument why students would not be attracted, or less so, if there would be one or two business topics in a curriculum. It probably has to do more with lack of trust with faculty and administrators that it will be actually useful - and if it is deemed useful, there's the challenge of tailoring such content to this particular audience, attracting suitable lecturers for it, etc. It's quite challenging to get this off the ground in a sensible way. For instance, offering an accounting course to arts students is virtually guaranteed to be a massive failure. It's the same as the mainframe programming courses that were offered to students in e.g. linguistics back in the late 1960s (yes, they actually did that - and yes, it was a massive failure, obviously!) Sure, there are ways to make it (sort of) work, but it's a lot more challenging than taking Accounting 101 from the first semester of Business Administration and plugging it into the second year of a BFA. There's a lot more I could say about it, but these are the first things that pop up with me based on my experience teaching and designing courses in higher education.
In principle though, there's definitely merit to your idea. But there's also merit to the idea of offering these students courses from the domains of Information Management, Philosophy, Linguistics, Physics and a host of bordering fields. You can't do all of that, obviously.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Studio Lighting course that forms part of that program does deal with some business issues.
More generally though, it makes no sense for a Fine Arts faculty to be the source of business information. If they have students who are seeking to make a business from what they learn, the department should have resources that coordinate with the business programs at the school, and be set up to advise and refer the students there.
The last place I would go to for business advice is a Fine Arts (or Physics, or Education, or Geography, or Sociology ...) academic, degree granting program.
It is a different question if the program is a vocational program.
We should insist, especially because these state colleges are taxpayer funded, that they prepare their students for the real world.
I think what Koraks was saying, though, is that you can force it on the students but it likely won't work. You'll end up with a majority of students pushing their way through coursework to get a passing grade, to retain nothing.
None of the majors in science or engineering require any courses in business either.
This is bullshit and a red herring. None of the majors in science or engineering require any courses in business either.
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