Thank you! That is a fantastic video. He got the same overall curve shape, but the way the TRI-X and P30 curves are shown highlights the differences in shape, rather than relative position along the log-E axis. It's a very interesting test. Here are my P30 and TRI-X curves in isolation for comparison:aparat, for what it is worth in terms of a comparison with your tests here's the Greg Davis video on P30
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Thank you! That is a fantastic video. He got the same overall curve shape, but the way the TRI-X and P30 curves are shown highlights the differences in shape, rather than relative position along the log-E axis. It's a very interesting test. Here are my P30 and TRI-X curves in isolation for comparison:
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I have not used P30, looking at your results, wonder how D23 would work, or Phil Davis's BTZ developer he formulated for TMax 100?
That's a great idea. I was also thinking of trying D-96. It seems that XTOL and D76 stock are too aggressive for this film, needing development times below 4 minutes to get normal contrast.
Just this week I developed some P30 that I had shot over the summer. I had previously used ASA 80 and 5 minutes in HC-110B. this batch I had switched to L110-B and was surprised that all three rolls came out very thin. As It happened the three were from different batches, including one from the Latest batch with the bar codes.
Judging by the information provided by the manufacturers, Ferrania P30 and ILFORD PAN F Plus should have similar speed and, possibly, other characteristics. Let's see how they perform.
I ran my usual six-curve family test of the two films, targeting ISO 50 exposure. I processed the samples in XTOL (stock) for 2.5, 4, 5:45, 8, 11, and 16 minutes at 20C in a Jobo 1510 tank. I have detailed test reports available as twelve-page PDF documents, so please, let me know if you'd like me to upload it.
For now, let's look at the curve families and analysis summaries. In terms of film speed, the Ilford film is close to the ISO 50 box speed, but the Ferrania P30 appears to be much slower than the manufacturer's recommended EI 80, at around ISO 15. The speed discrepancy did not surprise me, but the response to development did. Ferrania needs very careful processing.
What I think is important with P30 is that it's near lack of discernible grain.
Right, but well, we have that as well with PanF+, Acros II, TMX and especially with ADOX HR-50.
And in absolute perfection with ADOX CMS 20 II.
And as the real effective speed of P30 is unfortunately so low, it is at least a reasonable question why not using CMS 20 II with its world record capabilities in resolution, sharpness and fineness of grain instead of P30 (which cannot compete in these parameters). And CMS 20 II is also cheaper, too, offering an outstanding price-performance ratio.
For those who want a film with more inherent contrast compared to standard films (and not too much contrast), but without the problems of P30, ADOX HR-50 is certainly the right choice. As it offers
- excellent separation of the midtones
- higher overall contrast, but not too high
- with correct developing no blown out highlights because of a flattened curve in the highlights (S-shape)
- excellent resolution
- excellent sharpness
- extremely fine grain
- very low price
- outstanding price-performance ratio.
This film is a kind of "Geheimtipp".
Best regards,
Henning
Wonder about P30 in Diafine at box speed.
...or in a two-bath developer...
That won't change the main problems with this film. Nor any other developer.
Because with a developer you can only "finetune" a film in a certain direction. But it is impossible to change the general characteristic, the general design of a film.
As you cannot transfer a truck into a formula 1 racecar by adding some spoilers or using different wheels and tires.......
I can agree to the results of the op aparat, to Henning, Alan9940, and AZD.
For those who are interested, I have described my results just recently here in this thread:
Ferrania P30: curve shape and (un)coated lenses
Hello Henning, Thank you for your answer. I`m aware that i lack knowledge of film characteristics etc. - but i`m not in shape to work into this now. Which also is a reason i came here to the experts (no sarcasm intended). Harry, maybe you can or should think about it this way: In the time you...www.photrio.com
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