Tamron 28-200/3.8~5.6 LD Aspherical (IF) (171A): Lens unit cloudy, dissection

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Last year I bought a Tamron 28-200 for Minolta MD, which the seller said had never been used and is in its original packaging with all the paperwork.

It later turned out that the zoom lens in the rear, second to last lens unit is cloudy. Cleaning is not possible because the unit cannot be opened.



Nevertheless, I kept the lens in the hope that a replacement part would be found.








And today it looks like that is the case.

A second 28-200 comes with a defective Nikon F4.

I am curious to see whether I can take its lens unit as a replacement part

An interesting lens.

LD - low dispersion glass, aspherical, wonderfully light compared to its mates with similar focal lengths from the Tamron SP series, easy to adjust.

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We start next week!
 
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Before you start to open this lens you should look if its lens unit is cloudy also!
 

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PLUS, your replacement lens is for MANUAL FOCUS cameras -- what else could "MF CAMERAS" mean? That might make a big difference.
 
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PLUS, your replacement lens is for MANUAL FOCUS cameras -- what else could "MF CAMERAS" mean? That might make a big difference.

I do not understand that?

Ah, maybe the text and images above were misleading. This is the packaging of the item being repaired.

I have rearranged the text.

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The second Tamron (for Nikon) has just arrived.

Very good condition, the lens unit in question is OK.

I'll do the exchange
 
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Now I understand.

The Tamron that arrived today (above, right) is the AF version of my MF Tamron, where I want to replace the lens unit.

I wasn't aware of that.

But I bet that the optical structure of both is identical.

I will replace the lens unit as a test.
 

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The lens on the right appears to be about 10% larger than the one on the left.

Good luck!
 
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The lens on the right appears to be about 10% larger than the one on the left.

Good luck!

Both rear lenses should have the same diameter, unfortunately the photo doesn't show it any better.

Thanks, I'm excited to see if it works.
 
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I changed my plan and found a defective Tamron 171A - not the AF version - in Finland. I hope that the lens unit, which is cloudy on my repair candidate, can be used for replacement.

I will clean the AF Tamron. It would be against my principles to open a working device, let alone dismantle it for parts. Things have to stay in order
 
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I changed my plan and found a defective Tamron 171A - not the AF version - in Finland. I hope that the lens unit, which is cloudy on my repair candidate, can be used for replacement.



The supposedly defective lens has arrived, but I can't find anything wrong. The rear lenses are clear, so I can take them out for exchange.

But I'm faced again with the problem of sacrificing an intact lens for another one

Since it's about getting an unused old, but brand new, lens up and running again, replacing the rear lens unit should be fine.

More on that soon.
 
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Not a repair, but determination of the fault and dissection

I was unable to repair this Tamron.

I failed due to a collection of tiny balls in the aperture bearing and the complexity of the lens.

But I was able to work my way to the lens opacities, which are haze that can be removed.

There are two contaminated lenses. One is above the aperture, the other in the middle of the barrel.

To get to them, I had to completely disassemble the zoom. In the process, I scattered the aperture bearing balls in the barrel. I was only able to remove them all once I had completely disassembled the lens.

In addition to gaining insight into the interior of this complex lens, I was also able to get a large number of plain bearings, balls and screws for my spare parts inventory.







The rear lens unit can be removed after loosening three screws.




In order to get to the lens unit underneath, where I suspected the clouding, I unscrewed this retaining ring.




There are tiny balls here that act as bearings for the aperture. The balls are magnetic.




I reinstalled the retaining ring and attempted to continue the disassembly by removing this cover ring.




Then I loosened the retaining ring again to remove the balls, in the hope of getting closer to the lens unit. The balls rolled into the tube and most of them stayed there, held in place by magnetism and grease.

This meant that the repair attempt became a dissection. I wanted to at least find out whether the opacities could be removed and where they were located.




The components of the zoom. Metal and plastic, quality workmanship.




The opacities were on two lenses. One of them was above the aperture (left unit containing the lens) ...






… and the other on the inside of a lens in the middle of the tube.




Both lenses could be cleaned with isopropyl alcohol.




Replenishment for my spare parts warehouse. Plain bearings, balls, screws, springs and two tiny circlips.



Conclusion
  • In order to clean the two affected lenses of this zoom, it must be disassembled in depth. Be careful with the balls, they are volatile.
  • Successful disassembly is based on experience, but this is only of limited help, as each lens has its own special design.
  • Even a repair manual with the usual exploded drawings does not show the correct order of the individual steps when disassembling.
  • Therefore, successful disassembly/assembly requires two prerequisites: meticulous documentation of all steps taken when disassembling and motivation.
  • Since I now have a replacement for the lens and it is not a particularly valuable item, I decided not to go to this trouble

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I have now cleaned the Tamron 28-200, which was actually intended as a spare part donor, and tested it on the F3 with the corresponding Adaptall-2 adapter.



I cannot see any faults and am wondering why the seller sold it as defective and therefore cheaply.




On this occasion I discovered that this Adaptall-2 adapter for Minolta MD is defective, the bayonet is bent.

It is not worth attempting to repair it, the bayonet is no longer dimensionally accurate and will never be.
 
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And finally, I take a like-new lens hood from the dissected lens …






… and have another magnifying glass for my repair work.
 
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No, the bayonet itself isn't bent - only the thin outer rim beneath the aperture ring where because of the recess in the fixed tube.

I count all of this as part of the bayonet.

But if something is warped in this area, I won't try to repair it. The specification is no longer correct.
 

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As far as I can see the zoom you have shown first has a TAMRON AdaptAll adapter for Minolta MD.
Why not use its Mount for that item which was actually intended as a spare part donor and is now working perfectly?
 
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I thought about whether it would be a good exercise to completely disassemble such a zoom and then reassemble it. With meticulous documentation of all the steps, it should be possible.

I don't think that this has any particular training effect, other than practicing general work on lenses:
  • every zoom is constructed differently in detail, disassembly instructions usually don't exist,
  • screws on plain bearings prove to be stubborn and can in the worst case only be removed destructively,
  • adjustment is a challenge with zooms.
Nevertheless, I would like to try this out as a project.

What do you think?
 
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As far as I can see the zoom you have shown first has a TAMRON AdaptAll adapter for Minolta MD.
Why not use its Mount for that item which was actually intended as a spare part donor and is now working perfectly?

I don't quite understand what you mean. I disassembled this zoom and got a replacement for a reasonable price. There's nothing more that can be done with it?
 
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