Both replenished XTOL does not discriminate.
Hello Sirius,
Would you say tonality is better both for soft light scenes and for direct sunlight with Xtol-R?
Replenished XTOL does not have “better tonality”. It is simply an economical alternative to one-shot use.
What research is that?
Also, what do you mean by better tonality? In what sense? The film/developer stage of the tone reproduction system is a curve. That curve defines the tonality of that part of the system. If you plot that curve for say Tri-X or FP4, developed to the same contrast in XTOL stock, XTOL replenished, and XTOL 1+1, you will find they are all virtually identical.
So what do you mean by better tonality?
What would you all Xtol users say about Xtol stock...?
I mean, obviously it acts in a different way (slightly) than the way replenished Xtol ends up working...
Xtol stock must be good for something... Possibly dissolving grain as much as Xtol can...
I'd like to test that for 35mm TMY.
Who knows if it could look clean and sharp enough...
I wonder what tighter means here... Do we get sharper grain with Xtol Stock or with Xtol-R?Thank you so much for saying this. I was beginning to feel "defective". Never noticed any differences in tonality between stock and replenished Xtol. The grain is a bit different (Xtol-R is "tighter") but stock Xtol is more active and works better on challenging films like Fomapan 400 and Delta 3200.
Could someone elaborate on more active?...stock Xtol is more active and works better on challenging films like Fomapan 400 and Delta 3200.
Clearly you're not talking about grain, but about your general love for Xtol...Stock XTOL, 1:1 XTOL and replenished XTOL are all sharp. I have not compared them.
It isn't discontinued, it just isn't around.What's all this about Xtol being discontinued? Oh shoot. I'd better order more. It's my go-to developer and has been for about 20 years. I had a side-trip into HC 110 which was kinda fun. I like the way Xtol treats my film. I keep more speed and seem to have less grain. It suits my development process even better than HC 110 did.
Close to reality, IMO, but I think Xtol can't produce the beautiful small sharp grain of Perceptol 1+2.From Photo.net, eleven years ago:
"I have now finished testing and reached my conclusion: TMY-2 in Xtol 1+1 is all I need for my 35 mm work; I will use this combination from EI 200 to 1600 (with different development times). I will not use slower films.
YMMV, but this is how I reached my conclusion: Real low ISO films (Tech Pan type) are tremendous films, but unfortunately not all of the time. Besides from being to slow for my type of work, I have been disappointed with the final prints more often than has been the case with "normal" films. Anyway, I usually print 12x16"/30x40cm and the quality from normal films is quite adequate for this size prints from 35 mm negatives - with meticulous work all the way.
After testing quite a few developer/film combinations, I was down to TMX in a high acutance developer (shooting at EI 164) and TMY in Xtol 1+1 for EIs from 400/800 to 1600. Still too many films I thought and tried TMY at EI 200 in a speed reduction developer. I was surprised to find that the quality obtained was equal to that of pushed TMX.
So I was down to one film (TMY2) and two developers. Too many developers I thought. Tried pulling TMY2 in Xtol 1+1. Low and behold, the print quality was equal to what I obtained with TMY2 in the Microdol-X type developer. Aha, I thought, that's the reason why Kodak has stopped selling Microdol-X; there is no need for it!
So there I am, TMY2 in Xtol 1+1 for all EIs from 200 upwards and no need for any slower films because they do not contribute to better prints. As I said, YMMV. I am happy with mine."
christer_almqvist|2, Nov 10, 2010
Some have received promises of product replacement for the defective X-Tol - first from Kodak Alaris, and apparently now from Sino Promise, but there are no time estimates.
I bought 5 units of Xtol and 1 unit of the Freestyle branded Xtol last night. I'll keep my fingers crossed that there are no quality problems. It seems to me that if the same Kodak employees make this stuff as made the old stuff and in the same factories, it should be the same, assuming the new owner (Sino Promise) buys the same high quality raw material. I bet they aren't. Also, the Kodak brand has gone with Red? What next, red packaging? Yikes.It isn't discontinued, it just isn't around.
There were a series of quality problems, a sort of recall, and then the entire Kodak photo-chemical and colour paper (and a few commercial lab related things) were sold by Kodak Alaris (as agent for the Kodak UK Pension Plan) to the Sino Promise Group.
Some have received promises of product replacement for the defective X-Tol - first from Kodak Alaris, and apparently now from Sino Promise, but there are no time estimates.
It looks like all the employees of Kodak Alaris who were formerly responsible for that business are now working for Sino Promise. Many of those employees were formerly employees of Eastman Kodak or one of its international subsidiaries.
Although owned by Chinese interests, that business remains headquartered in Rochester.
Here is the related website: https://www.kodaksino.com/
Kodak hasn't been manufacturing the black and white chemicals for a long time. It has been subcontracted out. A lot of the manufacturing was done in for Kodak Alaris in Germany by Tetenal, who went into receivership a couple of years ago, leaving Kodak (and others) in a precarious position.I bought 5 units of Xtol and 1 unit of the Freestyle branded Xtol last night. I'll keep my fingers crossed that there are no quality problems. It seems to me that if the same Kodak employees make this stuff as made the old stuff and in the same factories, it should be the same, assuming the new owner (Sino Promise) buys the same high quality raw material. I bet they aren't. Also, the Kodak brand has gone with Red? What next, red packaging? Yikes.
assuming the new owner (Sino Promise) buys the same high quality raw material. I bet they aren't. Also, the Kodak brand has gone with Red? What next, red packaging? Yikes.
And the "defective" bags have been working just fine for me. I have about 500ml of replenisher left and will be opening my last "defective" bag some time in April.
@Donald Qualls Ah, that's a good point. I have switched to mixing at the highest allowed temperature (printed on the bag) and this made mixing dramatically easier. The "room temperature" stuff is kind of BS in my opinion, but - who knows? - could be the reason behind the dreaded "trade concern"
Clearly you're not talking about grain, but about your general love for Xtol...
Any grain character you know about, with stock, dilutions and replenishment?
Generally there will always be some undissolved particles and junk, which is of no consequence.
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