A NEW ISO 200 COLOR NEGATIVE FILM FROM ADOX

ADOX Fotoimpex · Jun 20, 2022

It´s great to have such interest in our new HELIOS, that even hidden, non-shared pages are being found
However, this is a sample webpage with placeholder images, intended only for internal use. Even the canister image is of the first Color Mission. None of the informations on this page are final, except for the color scheme which is for the graphics design department. Wait, even the colors aren´t totally final - those are coming at the official release

ADOX Fotoimpex · Jun 20, 2022

halfaman said:
Let's see how much Helios 4x5" sheets cost...

I don't mind to use slow film in my Wista as long as the colors I get are good.

That is something we can carefully disclose already, but we are still going through QC on the mini jumbos and might have to adjust if we find pencil lines.
Also box prices and shipping tariffs are still very volatile.
If all goes well, we are targeting:

In 4x5'', about 40 EUR (net) for 25 sheets (other color negative large format films are sold in 10-sheet packs)

The reciprocity failure on this film still needs to be tested but is expected to be good, and we believe HELIOS to be an overall attractive option for cameras which benefit from having a tripod

lantau · Jun 21, 2022

ADOX Fotoimpex said:
In 4x5'', about 40 EUR (net) for 25 sheets (other color negative large format films are sold in 10-sheet packs)

The reciprocity failure on this film still needs to be tested but is expected to be good, and we believe HELIOS to be an overall attractive option for cameras which benefit from having a tripod

If this works out I'll really be looking forward to this. If there were to be a sealed inside wrapper it would be great to have divided packs like Fuji does with their sheet film. But 25 can't be divided by 2.

In the meanwhile I'm on holiday in Venice and will load my first roll of Color Mission. Let's see how those two will play together...

brbo · Jun 21, 2022

I just shot Adox Color Mision 200 and Kodak Ultramax 400 side-by-side (needed to test my (unsuccessful) fix for Contax T for light leaks and figured I'd also shoot Color Mission at the same time to get the feel for it).

Only did a quick scan to get the "index print", I won't have time to wet print or drum scan them for a few days, but so far it looks very good. A bit more grain, a bit less latitude, but I'd be perfectly happy with it for a walk around film if Ultramax 400 wasn't available and I'll definitely take my two remaining rolls with me to Venice this year (we love Venice and enjoyed two previous "corona" summers there with zero crowds; this year we won't be so lucky I guess).

Adox Color Mission 200:

Kodak Ultramax 400:

Donald Qualls · Jun 21, 2022

ADOX Fotoimpex said:
If all goes well, we are targeting:

In 4x5'', about 40 EUR (net) for 25 sheets (other color negative large format films are sold in 10-sheet packs)

If this comes out anywhere close to this price in USA, you may count on me buying at least one box to try it -- and more if it works well. The main thing that's been keeping me from shooting large format color is cost -- and this is lower per sheet than big-brand black and white!

I process my own C-41, scan my own negatives (and still hope to get to print RA-4 when my time permits) -- so film at this price level is the gate opener!

halfaman · Jun 21, 2022

ADOX Fotoimpex said:
If all goes well, we are targeting:

In 4x5'', about 40 EUR (net) for 25 sheets (other color negative large format films are sold in 10-sheet packs)

That is a very interesting price indeed.

flavio81 · Jun 21, 2022

brbo said:
I just shot Adox Color Mision 200 and Kodak Ultramax 400 side-by-side (needed to test my (unsuccessful) fix for Contax T for light leaks and figured I'd also shoot Color Mission at the same time to get the feel for it).

Thank you very much for this test!!!

Adox Color Mission 200 looks neutral, it has good skin tones, I like that. The only negative i can see (no pun intended) is that it appears to tolerate less overexposure, the shot of the girl with frontal flash has washed-up colors in the Adox compared with the Kodak. But I don't care -- i don't accidentally overexpose that much. Other than that Color Mission looks very good and ...

... for starters, MUCH better than the ColorPlus 200 c**p everybody raves about...

Huss · Jun 21, 2022

brbo said:
I just shot Adox Color Mision 200 and Kodak Ultramax 400 side-by-side (needed to test my (unsuccessful) fix for Contax T for light leaks and figured I'd also shoot Color Mission at the same time to get the feel for it).

Only did a quick scan to get the "index print", I won't have time to wet print or drum scan them for a few days, but so far it looks very good. A bit more grain, a bit less latitude, but I'd be perfectly happy with it for a walk around film if Ultramax 400 wasn't available and I'll definitely take my two remaining rolls with me to Venice this year (we love Venice and enjoyed two previous "corona" summers there with zero crowds; this year we won't be so lucky I guess).

Adox Color Mission 200:

Kodak Ultramax 400:

Looks great to me! Thanks for posting. Will definitely get this film if I can find any.

brbo · Jun 21, 2022

flavio81 said:
Thank you very much for this test!!!

Adox Color Mission 200 looks neutral, it has good skin tones, I like that. The only negative i can see (no pun intended) is that it appears to tolerate less overexposure, the shot of the girl with frontal flash has washed-up colors in the Adox compared with the Kodak. But I don't care -- i don't accidentally overexpose that much. Other than that Color Mission looks very good and ...

... for starters, MUCH better than the ColorPlus 200 c**p everybody raves about...

I share your feelings on ColorPlus 200.

The camera that I shot Color Mission 200 with doesn't have a working meter so some shots on CM 200 were overexposed (some deliberately because @Joerg Bergs posted a review of this film back in February and mentioned that this film performs best at ISO 100), but also other shots that were exposed properly show lower latitude (higher contrast) than Ultramax 400. Also, I scanned this on a Noritsu scanner with minimal adjustments (no contrast adjustments at all, just basic max 2 sec. per frame density/yellow/magenta/cyan corrections) to get a fell what users would get from a regular mini lab.

For me it will be how it prints, but I don't expect surprises there. So far this seems to be a very well behaved regular C-41 film with a pleasing colour palette.

foc · Jun 21, 2022

@brbo , thank you for taking the time to post the "index prints".
To my eyes, the Adox Color Mission 200 has its own look and feel, which is a great thing.
Of course, it is very personal but some of your images, I think, have an Agfa look to them, it's hard to describe.

Tel · Jun 22, 2022

I agree, Felim. I see a little more transparency in the highlights and more saturation in the primary colors. That says "Agfa" to me. (It's a look I like a lot.)

flavio81 · Jun 22, 2022

brbo said:
because @Joerg Bergs posted a review of this film back in February and mentioned that this film performs best at ISO 100),

Thanks for this link.

Some excerpts from this review (machine-translated):

Like no other film, the Color Mission radiates a color tint reminiscent of Agfa colors. The grain is present, clear and full of character, but not coarse. (...)

In terms of colour, the Color Mission is reminiscent of the Ektar: red and green are fresh and rich. The green is crisp and blue heavenly airy. Mint tones underline the images in an unprecedented look.

The Color Mission is not retro! It is currently with a 1980s touch, paired with very rich colors. You should be careful with portraits, such as the Ektar, because skin tones are too reddish for the Color Mission. White, however, is clear and pure. We have never discovered such a beautiful, pure white in any other film. The contrast is powerful with a slight overexposure, but not too strong. On the color scale, the Color Mission 200 ranks between Fuji C200 and Ektar.

(...)

The Adox color Mission unfolds its full potential at exactly 100 ASA.
His grain has an impressive presence and visually underlines the images taken with it. Gone are the days when grain was provoked with underexposure. The Adox Color Mission achieves its own grain with a normal exposure and maintains this aesthetic even in case of overexposure. Other films become fine-grained when overexposed (Portras, for example), not the Color Mission.

(...)

We have found through intensive testing that the ADOX color Mission works very well under artificial light conditions! No extreme color casts and still the clear white only amaze. Please do not underexpose under artificial light.

Huss · Jul 8, 2022

From 35mmc:

Mirko Bödecker, Managing Director of Adox & FotoImpex, announced the next new color film from Adox will be a low ISO 3/DIN 6 film named Helios.

Huss · Jul 8, 2022

I'm wondering if Adox Helios is the same film as FPP Blue Ultra ISO3 which I am already using:

AgX · Jul 8, 2022

Huss said:
From 35mmc:

....

Huss, do not belittle us more than we deserve...

It was here at Apug at this very thread that Mirko annnounced that Helios film (I admit, a bit hidden)

@ post #156 and a discussion followed

Ernst-Jan · Jul 8, 2022

Huss said:
I'm wondering if Adox Helios is the same film as FPP Blue Ultra ISO3 which I am already using:

No, it really is their own product which they coat themselves, I was at an event were Mirko told this. The FPP stuff most likely is Kodak stuff used in motion picture for projection and that should be developed in ECP processs.

halfaman · Jul 8, 2022

Huss said:
I'm wondering if Adox Helios is the same film as FPP Blue Ultra ISO3 which I am already using:

FPP Blue Ultra is a repackaged Kodak motion picture color print film, Vision 2383 most probably.

Huss · Jul 8, 2022

Ernst-Jan said:
No, it really is their own product which they coat themselves, I was at an event were Mirko told this. The FPP stuff most likely is Kodak stuff used in motion picture for projection and that should be developed in ECP processs.

Definitely FPP is repackaged stuff. I had it developed in regular c41 process.

So Helios is a brand spankin' new ISO 3 film? Not a repackage? A film mfg decides to make a brand new film for consumer use and decides on ISO 3?
That's the bit I don't understand. I do understand repackaging an existing and readily available ISO 3 film to raise funds to finance the new ISO 200 film.

Huss · Jul 8, 2022

AgX said:
Huss, do not belittle us more than we deserve...

It was here at Apug at this very thread that Mirko annnounced that Helios film (I admit, a bit hidden)

@ post #156 and a discussion followed

Ok re-read that. Thanks! Very interesting, and I am curious as to the colour palette as the repackaged ISO 3 stuff that I have used is called Blue Ultra for a reason!

flavio81 · Jul 8, 2022

halfaman said:
FPP Blue Ultra is a repackaged Kodak motion picture color print film, Vision 2383 most probably.

Maybe ADOX also want to eventually sell their own motion picture print film. Commercially this might make a ton of sense.

vishalkullarwar · Jul 8, 2022

Donald Qualls said:
Good to see this, though shipping cost and issues from Fotoimpex to USA are still there. Will it appear at Freestyle within a reasonable time?

It was available at Freestyle for a short duration. But it’s not seen on their website now.

pentaxuser · Jul 8, 2022

flavio81 said:
The only negative i can see (no pun intended) is that it appears to tolerate less overexposure, the shot of the girl with frontal flash has washed-up colors in the Adox compared with the Kodak.

Is this the head and shoulders one as opposed to the girl and the room one? If it is then while there might be a difference in a larger print I can see no difference in the 2 films in these thumbnails prints

Mind you, based on comments I have made tonight in another colour film thread it may be me who fails to see differences that others see

pentaxuser

NortheastPhotographic · Jul 8, 2022

I've had a big order of Adox products on order from the US distributor for sale at my shop since early May. Estimated delivery date got pushed now to early August. The word I got on the other end is that Freestyle isn't even placing orders with Adox to stock their products.

Fotoimpex won't sell to me, and neither with Adox. I very much want to carry Adox films and chemistry because I really think they're excellent. It just seems like they have no interest in the US market. My emails with Adox and Fotoimpex have gone exactly nowhere. It's quite frustrating. I may simply have to cancel my large order from Freestyle and give up on the idea.

Nodda Duma · Jul 8, 2022

NortheastPhotographic said:
I've had a big order of Adox products on order from the US distributor for sale at my shop since early May. Estimated delivery date got pushed now to early August. The word I got on the other end is that Freestyle isn't even placing orders with Adox to stock their products.

Fotoimpex won't sell to me, and neither with Adox. I very much want to carry Adox films and chemistry because I really think they're excellent. It just seems like they have no interest in the US market. My emails with Adox and Fotoimpex have gone exactly nowhere. It's quite frustrating. I may simply have to cancel my large order from Freestyle and give up on the idea.

I found the same thing when talking to Fotoimpex/Adox about stocking Adox products at Photo Retro. They just didn’t seem like they wanted to follow up.

On the same note, Fotoimpex seemed like they wanted to stock my dry plates, said they were putting together a purchase order, and then just never placed the order.

Definitely act like they’re not interested in the US market.

Paul Verizzo · Jul 8, 2022

flavio81 said:
This is a turning point in the history of photography industry. Finally, the Kodak-Fuji duopolio is broken.

Fantastic news, time to open up the champagne!!

Well, once upon a time we also had Konica, Agfa, 3M/Ferrania, and many more I've forgotten about. But, yes, these sad days......

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