Appreciation of Andre Kertesz

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“Your talk," I said, "is surely the handiwork of wisdom because not one word of it do I understand.”
― Flann O'Brien, The Third Policeman

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He’s just talking about the 'battle' between form and content — and in great photographs like this one, neither truly wins; they coexist. A photo that focuses only on form risks becoming 'cold geometry,' while one driven purely by content can still be powerful (like Diane Arbus’s crying baby) or risk with failure. But when form and content connect, the result can be exceptionally compelling like the photograph above.
 

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He’s just talking about the 'battle' between form and content — and in great photographs like this one, neither truly wins; they coexist. A photo that focuses only on form risks becoming 'cold geometry,' while one driven purely by content can still be powerful (like Diane Arbus’s crying baby) or risk with failure. But when form and content connect, the result can be exceptionally compelling like the photograph above.
Thank you for explaining! There is actually an odd connection to The Third Policeman (which everyone should read), in that I cannot fathom where the room is that the lady is standing in. It seems to be hidden in the walls of the light well.
 

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This is my favourite Kertesz photo, of Mondrian’s studio.
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How about this: -

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I like many of Kertesz’ photos — individually. What frustrates me about him as a photographer is that they are so different, I don’t detect any consistent ‘feel’ to them.
 

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I like many of Kertesz’ photos — individually. What frustrates me about him as a photographer is that they are so different, I don’t detect any consistent ‘feel’ to them.

On the contrary! Don't know how to explain it well, so again I resort to the words of my teacher about him 😅

"Kertész offers us yet another lesson: that a great photograph does not have a subject — it is its own subject. And the further a photographer distances themselves from the surprise caused by real events, the more likely they are to create surprise through their photograph. Even further, this repetition has nothing to do with the typology so common in our times. The photographs of the square do not constitute related variations of a recognized subject. They are not offered for conceptual exploitation. Each one is a new attempt at something entirely fresh.

Once the sensitive viewer grasps this lesson, they can then comprehend the essence of this great photographer’s entire body of work. They realize that Kertész made real what we all dream of: to turn the whole world — consisting of squares and streets, snowy and sunny days, children, women, and men, plates, forks, pipes, eyeglasses, tulips, or chairs — into a photographed world, that is, an analytical world, and at the same time a world of our own, a synthetic one. Thus, transformation and revelation occur simultaneously.

Kertész managed to infuse his photographs — sometimes in one, sometimes in another, and sometimes simultaneously in the same image — with tenderness, playfulness, surrealistic approach, and daring composition. His photographs, regardless of their individual subjects, embody the adjective "Kerteszian": something that seems like a description but is also a suggestion; something recognized as real but at the same time feels as if it belongs to the realm of imagination; something perceived as natural, yet strikingly staged; a playful mind's creation born from simple observation."

Platon Rivellis - André Kertész: A Belated Confession
 
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On the contrary! Don't know how to explain it well, so again I resort to the words of my teacher about him 😅

"Kertész offers us yet another lesson: that a great photograph does not have a subject — it is its own subject. And the further a photographer distances themselves from the surprise caused by real events, the more likely they are to create surprise through their photograph. Even further, this repetition has nothing to do with the typology so common in our times. The photographs of the square do not constitute related variations of a recognized subject. They are not offered for conceptual exploitation. Each one is a new attempt at something entirely fresh.

Once the sensitive viewer grasps this lesson, they can then comprehend the essence of this great photographer’s entire body of work. They realize that Kertész made real what we all dream of: to turn the whole world — consisting of squares and streets, snowy and sunny days, children, women, and men, plates, forks, pipes, eyeglasses, tulips, or chairs — into a photographed world, that is, an analytical world, and at the same time a world of our own, a synthetic one. Thus, transformation and revelation occur simultaneously.

Kertész managed to infuse his photographs — sometimes in one, sometimes in another, and sometimes simultaneously in the same image — with tenderness, playfulness, surrealistic approach, and daring composition. His photographs, regardless of their individual subjects, embody the adjective "Kerteszian": something that seems like a description but is also a suggestion; something recognized as real but at the same time feels as if it belongs to the realm of imagination; something perceived as natural, yet strikingly staged; a playful mind's creation born from simple observation."

Platon Rivellis - André Kertész: A Belated Confession

Rather than reciting the words of your teacher, what do you think about Kertesz?
 
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I like many of Kertesz’ photos — individually. What frustrates me about him as a photographer is that they are so different, I don’t detect any consistent ‘feel’ to them.

You have to look at them in chronological order for the most part. He had phases, and he changed as technology changed. Started with a little glass plate camera, then moved to a larger glass plate camera, and so on. I guess you could call them periods where his word was a little different but the same in many ways. I like pretty much everything he has done.

If you are interested in Kertesz, there are some good books of his work. My favorite is the Princeton/Greenough one from around 2005. I just looked on Amazon and there is a paperback version for a paltry $22. It is an impressive work as is anything Greenough does it seems. Another one that I like is the little Getty In Focus publication. I picked up that one in the 90s when I started photography and I was enthralled with it. Still am. You can usually find the In Focus books on Ebay for under $10. The whole series is worth getting, at least the photographers you are interested in.
 

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Rather than reciting the words of your teacher, what do you think about Kertesz?

I personally find his nudes, distortions, late US work, and Polaroids to be his weakest photos — though still interesting. I’m much more drawn to his Paris and early Hungarian work. When I compare him to other "Parisian" photographers like Bresson, Ronis, and Brassai, what stands out is his remarkable sense of form and composition, always intertwined with a playful, almost surreal content. For me, it’s this subtle yet powerful balance between strong, unnoticed form and his whimsical use of the camera that ties his entire body of work together.
 
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An unusual snapshot by Kertész is of four of his wartime fellow soldiers amicably shitting together. This poor scan is page 21 of Kertész on Kertész, BBC 1985. His comment is at the bottom of the page: I hope he thanked his friends for sitting for him. An ordinary photograph; but I think the context turns it into a bit of a masterpiece.
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This photo is one of my favourites
 

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Sounds like advice the person who wrote that should consider for themselves, frankly.
I can see where you take inspiration from in your own style of writing about photography, which, as we've touched upon very elaborately, is kind of poetic and highly subjective. Which is OK, but it's difficult to find a common ground with others, as you've noticed.

This photo is one of my favourites
Can you explain in words that may be understandable for others what appeals you in particular in that image? Not saying it isn't nice, but for me, it doesn't really stand out in particular in his works, so I'm curious to see what's in it for you that makes it special. What I'm seeing is a central composition that strikes me as conservative and somewhat mundane. A technically good photograph of a well with a pleasing sky. From a viewpoint of composition or emotional charge, I'm not seeing much to relate to. If I'd come across this I'd say "yeah, that's OK" and then leaf through to the next page.

Let me put it this way - if I look at the photographs on your own website, I see quite a few images that I find more appealing, more exciting, compositionally more successful and much more emotionally charged than this particular Kertesz image. You can take that as a compliment, although not necessarily as a recommendation that your work is consistently 'better' than that of any other photographer - I just can't think anymore in those terms.
 

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Sounds like advice the person who wrote that should consider for themselves, frankly.
I can see where you take inspiration from in your own style of writing about photography, which, as we've touched upon very elaborately, is kind of poetic and highly subjective. Which is OK, but it's difficult to find a common ground with others, as you've noticed.

It is a bit poetic I agree and resembles a bit my style of approaching photographs very good observation
Can you explain in words that may be understandable for others what appeals you in particular in that image? Not saying it isn't nice, but for me, it doesn't really stand out in particular in his works, so I'm curious to see what's in it for you that makes it special. What I'm seeing is a central composition that strikes me as conservative and somewhat mundane. A technically good photograph of a well with a pleasing sky. From a viewpoint of composition or emotional charge, I'm not seeing much to relate to. If I'd come across this I'd say "yeah, that's OK" and then leaf through to the next page.

But let's try another way and be more analytical. Frankly I am not so sure if I can put it into words but I will try. What strikes me more is that it is a photograph that shows absolutely nothing. As you very well put it is a rather dull, mandane Hungarian landscape. Not particularly interesting or appealing or even ugly. But then comes the photographer and things start to become interesting and powerful in my opinion. He chose to place this well in the middle of the picture. Strong choice and quite bold I believe. This well with the bucket is crucial, without it the photograph wouldn't be the same. By placing it in the middle of the composition it immediately becomes the centre of attention and gets some gravity. But why? I think we both agree it is nothing just an object that is of no interest at all. But yet in this image it becomes a dramatic element that divides it in two and poses many questions. Is it part of nature? A man made thing? What is the relation among them both? The background is also very strong with the horizon placement and the placement of trees on the left and right make it a very harmonic but also tense composition. Yet and here comes the poetic and very personal thing which I cannot explain there is some unexplainable tension which makes the well with the rope look almost like a sentinel of this landscape.
I tried my best (and without any use of AI) to explain it I hope I didn't sound silly


Let me put it this way - if I look at the photographs on your own website, I see quite a few images that I find more appealing, more exciting, compositionally more successful and much more emotionally charged than this particular Kertesz image. You can take that as a compliment, although not necessarily as a recommendation that your work is consistently 'better' than that of any other photographer - I just can't think anymore in those terms.

I have to say I am deeply flattered firstly that you took the time to look through my website and secondly for your nice words. I feel very surprised and good because coming from someone like you who knows so much about photography means much. Yet don't worry I don't have any illusions of how insignificant my work is compared to any of the photographers we all admire. But it is something that gives me joy so I keep doing it :smile: And I somehow know that photography is something that gives a lot of joy to you too

P.S. I also have many other photos of Andre Kertesz that I equally admire but perhaps this one is not that "evident" in my opinion that is why I chose it to share it with you. And it might be a very indifferent image for some others. Anyway, I appreciated your feedback that drove me to practice my act of observation/ explanation (if that succeeded at all) !
P.S. 2 I also agree and it is time for me too to leave the comparisons a bit aside. I don't want to rank photographers anymore this is not a sports game, they all have to offer something different in this game and we should embrace that.
 
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I tried my bes

And I genuinely appreciate it! I understand what you mean now - the "mundane elevated to something more profound" is indeed magic. Personally, this is not the image that does this for me, but I can very much relate to the sentiment. I see now why this image appeals to you so much.
 

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It’s a scene in Hungary, isn’t it? So it’s his roots. Quite what difference that information (if correct) should make to us as viewers, I can’t say. But I find it easier to like Kertesz having seen some of his earliest photos.
 
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