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Mamiya Press Super 23 or RB67. Have a great kit for each platform but only need one. All purchased from 100% positive-rated Japanese eBay seller in Mint condition. No haze, fungus, or balsam separations on my optics!

Anyway, I’m torn, want to hear (informed, if available) opinions.

I like the somewhat larger 6x9 Press negative and the more “photographic” image quality of the Press system lenses—almost like a small LF kit. Sort of a gray area between MF & LF. The con for this system is I don’t much care for rangefinders and the beast is utterly non-automatic, with a dozen ways to unintentionally multi-expose or leave frames blank.

I have long loved the utter perfection of the RB67 system and lenses. It’s also a beast but I much prefer the reflex system over rangefinders. Moreover, even with a marginally smaller negative size, the Sekor K/L lenses are beyond perfection; Zeiss doesn’t compare. Images have a three-dimensional quality no other system, analog or digital can match. Almost too perfect! The con is weight and difficulty in field use over the Super 23.

I need to sell one or the other. My workflow is a tedious grind, being a rank amateur. I’ll pick something I want to photograph, and wait for the position of the moon, local weather, or whatever to get just what I had visualized. I might take a month to expose a roll of film then develop and scan it. I also have several film backs to switch stock easily. Pathetic.

That said, anyone ever agonize over selling a Leica for a Nikon? Had remorse over the decision later but coped anyway? You’d think a bugshutter with 70 summers on the right side of the turf wouldn’t need advice, but it’s MF, you know?

Your comments are appreciated!

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It sounds like you have already made up your mind that the RB67 is your most enjoyed camera of the two. For me I fell in love with the Mamiya Universal and then the Super 23 about 25 years ago. I had the opportunity to try the RB67 when it came out. I was never able to get use to the weight and ergonomics of the body at the time and never got interested in it. My current kit is the Super 23 with a full set of lenses and multiple 6x9 backs. I have a 6x7 back but it has never been used as I don't care for the format. I have a lot of spare parts for both the rollfilm holders and the body and lenses so I am set for as long as I will use it. A lot of people always comment on the weight of the Super 23 and I get a chuckle from that because they have never used a 5x7 SuperTechnika with lens hand held weighing in around 13lbs. I have some years on you and the only comment I would have about your choice is to use the camera that you get the most enjoyment from and that sounds like the RB67.
 

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I’ve thought some on this, as I also have both systems. They are very different cameras that excel at very different kinds of shooting. So for me the answer would be about what kind of pictures do you imagine you’ll be taking, and then what compromises you are willing to make.

If I was planning to do a lot of portraiture or close-up work I would pick the RB67. The Universal is capable but its lenses aren’t as fast and checking the ground glass is much slower than the reflex finder for checking DOF.

Turned around; If I was doing slower landscape work, or handheld out and about shooting I would pick the Universal. I find the universal easier to frame with the rangefinder or with ground glass than the RB67, and handheld I find the RB67 a bit of a disaster.
 
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It sounds like you have already made up your mind that the RB67 is your most enjoyed camera of the two. For me I fell in love with the Mamiya Universal and then the Super 23 about 25 years ago. I had the opportunity to try the RB67 when it came out. I was never able to get use to the weight and ergonomics of the body at the time and never got interested in it. My current kit is the Super 23 with a full set of lenses and multiple 6x9 backs. I have a 6x7 back but it has never been used as I don't care for the format. I have a lot of spare parts for both the rollfilm holders and the body and lenses so I am set for as long as I will use it. A lot of people always comment on the weight of the Super 23 and I get a chuckle from that because they have never used a 5x7 SuperTechnika with lens hand held weighing in around 13lbs. I have some years on you and the only comment I would have about your choice is to use the camera that you get the most enjoyment from and that sounds like the RB67.

Thank you for the perspective. Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing as I was writing the post.
 
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I’ve thought some on this, as I also have both systems. They are very different cameras that excel at very different kinds of shooting. So for me the answer would be about what kind of pictures do you imagine you’ll be taking, and then what compromises you are willing to make.

If I was planning to do a lot of portraiture or close-up work I would pick the RB67. The Universal is capable but its lenses aren’t as fast and checking the ground glass is much slower than the reflex finder for checking DOF.

Turned around; If I was doing slower landscape work, or handheld out and about shooting I would pick the Universal. I find the universal easier to frame with the rangefinder or with ground glass than the RB67, and handheld I find the RB67 a bit of a disaster.

Good points.

My own experience with the Press has been better on a tripod for studied imagery rather than handheld. Putting the big Press body to the eye for street shooting can be intimidating for random subjects with a 100mm or shorter lens. And it’s hard to be circumspect with a 250mm ƒ5.0 lens that’s heavier than the camera body itself, sporting a 105mm front element.

For me, the RB67 with a good carry strap, handle, 127mm lens and the waist finder do well when I can use shutter speeds 1/125 or faster. I prefer a cable release as I tend to be a shutter button jabber. With the waist (sometimes waste-) finder, doing street is a much easier process than operating the big ol’ Press for quick shots.

There I go again, hah?
 
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