It is with me! I would be worried about a company without any fight.
I do not understand the complexities; I do want Ferrania to succeed.
Back in June 2018, the Ferrania Folks hoped to be in continuous production by Fall
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I do not understand the complexities; I do want Ferrania to succeed.
Folks like you most certainly qualify for "Patience of a Saint" status.
Thank you for that. Seriously.
You know what they say, "good things come to those who wait".
Hang in there, we are hoping only the best for you in your efforts. I am dying for standard 8mm color movie film btw......
Dave, if I were you, I'd take the advice given me by Sean concerning certain posters who flout the site rules. Only apply it instead to those who drag this thread down. Use the ignore function. Liberally.
Keep on keepin' on. You and the rest of the Film Ferrania team.
Keep on keepin' on. You and the rest of the Film Ferrania team.
Dave, if I were you, I'd take the advice given me by Sean concerning certain posters who flout the site rules. Only apply it instead to those who drag this thread down. Use the ignore function. Liberally.
Keep on keepin' on. You and the rest of the Film Ferrania team.
Hi Sal,
I appreciate the sentiment but I'm not interested in ignoring anyone.
A lot of the negativity directed toward us is irrelevant, but I need to keep my ears open for the occasional kernel of truth.
MattKing
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I have great respect and only one gripe for Film Ferrania:
The gripe? Please, please, update the title to this thread, and in particular correct the spelling of continuous!
The gripe? Please, please, update the title to this thread, and in particular correct the spelling of continuous!
And thank you, Dave, for all your replies today. You yourself most definitely deserve to be included in the "Patience of a Saint" class!
(Thank you as well for modifying the site so that newcomers do not see dates that, understandably, were no longer correct.)
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I apologize, when I found some news outside APUG, I rushed to start the thread way back when with the link that is now already gone, and was way to quick at the draw to post to get the spelling right. I did try to change it later but As a mere user, it is beyond what the system will allow.
FILM Ferrania had NOTHING to do with my typographically challenged title
I do not think there are laws that prevent access to volunteer services.
I have never heard of such laws in any country in the world.
I think it's probably a joke or maybe a lie - maybe they don't want volunteers to share their Formula Secrets maybe - that's just a guess.
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More likly as it is a chemical plant - anyone who is not supervised needs a WHOLE Bunch of Chemical Safety Training, and possibly a certificate before they can be allowed to roam unsupervised. Also the building is still leased in some way from the Government so anyone admitted likely must have approval from the authorities.
and if they are doing any work that assists the enterprise, most civilized countries would require them to be paid and have Workers compensation insurance in place. So yes, No yes, their proably is no law pre se that prohibits that.
Hi Dave,
There are some of just quietly wishing you great success and thank you for what your are doing.
Robert
There are some of just quietly wishing you great success and thank you for what your are doing.
Robert
I'm also in this category! Keep up the great work!
I have seen this thread grow and grow over time. I did not really follow it, so had no idea what the "Problem" was, so i asked.
I thought it was something to do with running out of money, a split between the biz partners, not have a good chemist, Etc etc.
The Reality was way different than i thought.
I do not use much more than HP5 and FP4 in 35mm........but i am sure there are a lot of people in all corners of The World that are hoping these guys are successful......including me.
First off, Dave, I appreciate the lengthy and complete reply. Very much appreciated, especially since I've been labeled a complainer/hater! LOL
Second, yes, that describes pretty much any business starting out, except that you guys are starting out in a fairly old and complex facility that was basically left abandoned for many years... that's a pretty steep challenge to rise above. And I hope you do!!!
Thirds, I asked for clarification of this comment of yours a while back, where it sounded a bit like you were indicating color slide film was abandoned/cancelled, but I'm pretty sure you were just meaning that the original plan for that first small batch slide film was cancelled:
"No we have not, although yes, we were forced to abandon the Ferraniachrome project that was to be delivered to Kickstarters. We said so way back in Feb 2016 in a post to Backers and also on our website."
So it's all good. Glad to hear it's still in the works... I just hope to see it come to fruition before I die...
You seem to be sounding reasonably self-assured about the production prospects of Ferrania film products. I hope that translates, sometime in the near future, into actual film products people can buy.
Lots of hope, it seems...
MattKing
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No apology necessary Charles.
But if you ask the moderators nicely - via "Reporting" my post or maybe your own - they can make the change.
I'd suggest something like: "As of June 2018, the Ferrania Folks hope to be in continuous production by Fall"
Golly gosh....someone attacks Dave/Film Ferrania...and Dave defends.....who'd have thunk it?
Dave's defence is always polite, often witty and always personal. Would that all companies were able to provide such personal communication.
Dave's defence is always polite, often witty and always personal. Would that all companies were able to provide such personal communication.
Dave, what would you say is the biggest technological difference between a modern factory such as Ilford, and future Film Ferrania?
The meaning of the word volunteer = work without a salary.
Working without any incentives, benefits, insurance or succession.
The volunteer signs a pledge to accept unpaid volunteering for a number of hours per day or for a number of days per month, etc. The management of the factory may have a moral and ethical obligation to provide lunch for this volunteer in case he worked more than x hours (or something like that)
* Volunteer services can be utilized by working outside the factory walls, such as logistics, packaging assistance or the like. There are dozens of areas that can assist a small team in completing work.
* If this plant had been in Egypt, production would have collapsed as the torrent had been pouring down. Because of the strength and abundance of the volunteer community in Egypt.
* The story contains suspicious and mysterious things surrounding it.
Dave, you can add me to this list of people who are eagerly but patiently waiting. I heard your interview on the Analog Talk podcast. Great stuff. I can't wait to get my hands on some P30 to try when it starts rolling off the production lines. I'll wait as long as it takes.
Italy is part of the European Union....there are pretty strict rules regarding people entering areas where certain chemicals are used....not to mention machinery - and I suspect Film Ferrania has both. As a little example, I am responsible for chemical storage at a large school, and I have to ensure that the chemical stores are locked and that *nobody* without adequate training and qualifications is allowed in a chemical store....I've turned away students who want to volunteer in the summer precisely because they don't yet have sufficient qualifications or training to be insured. It's the same with the workshops one floor up in the design/tech department....one needs a workshop safety certificate to use the machines unless under direct supervision (ie student supervised by teachers). They can't have volunteers either.
I would imagine that Film Ferrania has some pretty imrpessive machinery which requires knowledge to use or even be around safely....they'll have chemicals far more dangerous than the photographic developers and fixers we have in our homes. They cannot - both legally and morally - have someone unqualified in the building...unless directly supervised at all times....which again would take Nicola or someone similar away from their precious work.
It might seem like overkill...but then look at the EU area's industrial safety record....even compared with the USA....
I would imagine that Film Ferrania has some pretty imrpessive machinery which requires knowledge to use or even be around safely....they'll have chemicals far more dangerous than the photographic developers and fixers we have in our homes. They cannot - both legally and morally - have someone unqualified in the building...unless directly supervised at all times....which again would take Nicola or someone similar away from their precious work.
It might seem like overkill...but then look at the EU area's industrial safety record....even compared with the USA....
MattKing
Moderator
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Great response! There is flattery, which you can use to deescalate any argument if you can find a way to not make it sound contrived.
There is the nice invitation, with the daunting face to face meeting that every keyboard worrier secretly fears.
And there is the implied threat of hunting him down, should you ever get near him.
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