Calling Mr. I got a lens mine in the Nevada Hills Galli

[mark]

What portrait length lens would you suggest for an 8x10 2d, that might have a shutter. I just don't have time to build a box for a packard.

 

[Kerik]

I don't live in Nevada, nor do I have a lens mine... But, to answer your question:

14" Wollensak Veritar
305mm Kodak Portrait
300mm Rodenstock Imagon

I've used all of these and the are VERY nice portrait lenses and are available in shutters.

If you want to go longer and can deal with a studio shutter (one shutter speed) my favorite portrait lens is an 18" Verito.

 

[jimgalli]

A portrait lens with a shutter?? I don't think so. It only takes a few minutes to put a 7" Packard shutter just between the first bellows fold and then it's there for anything you drag home. A 14 1/2" Verito is hard to beat on a 2D. 12" - 15" is common on 8X10 when you consider a full head is approaching 1:1 and 26+ inches of bellows is getting where a poor old 2D is hanging out there. A 12" Wollensak Velostigmat II can be found in Betax 5 from time to time.

 

[Dave Wooten]

There are many modern lenses in modern shutters covering 8 x 10 that are "Portrait" length i.e. the diagonal and larger. the following cover easily at infinity...the nikor 300 f/9, figi 450 12.5. Nikor f/9 450 mm, G Claron 355, Fugi 300, If you have any 4 x 5 or 5 x 7 lenses in shutter, try them at closer than infinity distances increasing their focal length and a lot of them cover.

For portraits, your lens does not have to have coverage at infinity.

If you want a shorter lens that pulled will cover and give nice portraits...the rodenstock 210 sironar covers tight at infinity but pulled for head and shoulders is good. there are a lot of 5 x 7 and 4 x 5 lenses that will cover 8 x 10 for portraits when pulled, all in modern shutters. If you are mainly asking about the "Old" vintage which is a current vogue with some photographers then what Kerik and Jim have stated above, although even with these lenses you can use shorter..wider...and pulled will often cover.

 

[Steve Hamley]

Yousuf Karsh (and others) seemed to do just fine with a 14" Commercial Ektar. It isn't soft focus though if that's what you want.

Steve

 

[mark]

SO educate me Jim. How would I do this?

 

[Steve Hamley]

Mark,

He told you, as did Kerik.

Steve

 

[photomc]

Mark, just another alternative...I had this old Ilex No. 4 with no iris and picked up an old brass RR with no shutter. A visit to Grimes and now it fits like a glove (the adapter was only $35). So, $35 for the adapter + $75 for the RR and $20 for the shutter = $130 for a sweet set up that works on both the 8x10 Korona and 5x7 B&J (which has a 4x5 back). Not a bad deal at all...then there is the 375mm Caltar I picked up on epay, for less than $300 which would work as well. It can be done, but it does take some time to wait these the auctions out.

Oh Yeah...did I mention how pruddy the RR looks on either camera?

 

[mark]

Then I must be dense Steve. How would I secure it in place, or does it attach directly to the front standard? If so where do I put the shutter release? Am I cutting a hole in the front of my camera? and is the bulb a permanent part of my camera after that?

 

[Dave Wooten]

paragon

Mark another "cheap lens" that pops up from time to time is the 8.25" paragon in the Ilex #4. It is about 215 mm but covers 8 x 10 at infinity and can be pulled to whatever for close head and shoulders..no one seems to like Ilex paragons.

 

[JBrunner]

Then I must be dense Steve. How would I secure it in place, or does it attach directly to the front standard? If so where do I put the shutter release? Am I cutting a hole in the front of my camera? and is the bulb a permanent part of my camera after that?

Hi Mark,

You can screw it to the inside of the camera under the first bellows pleat. The lensboard you mount the lens to needs a hole with a fitting for the bulb tube (there are a couple ways to do this, maybe "Jim I have Edward Westons Turner Riech Galli" will chime in here). The packard is just left in the open position for use with other lenses/boards that have shutters. If you aren't using the packard, the bulb and tube need not (indeed, can not) be attached.

 

[Steve Hamley]

I think I owe Mark an apology for appearing to be short. But what Jim told you is how a lot of people have used big, fast glass for a hundred years. If you want shuttered lenses, Kerik's choices, or mine - a Commercial Ektar, are good options.

JBrunner's advice is good also, but remember you said you didn't want to build a Packard "box". There are only two places you can put a Packard on a camera, in front of the lensboard or behind it, and you eliminated in front of it.

Another option for some lenses (depending on size) would be the tremendously convenient Luc or Gitzo shutter. Glenn Evans has a large Gitzo listed on his site, www.glennview.com

Steve

 

[removed account4]

mark -

were you hoping to shoot portraits or other things ?
the studio shutters kerik mentioned work very well, and
depending on what you use to fire them can work at between 20thS ..
i have a 14"verito+13.5" vitax and use them in lowlight situations
where fast shutter speeds aren't really required, or at least faster
than 1/20S. if it is too bright then i use a veritar ...

if it is modern-ish and shuttered you are looking for,
a symmar convertable might work for you
... they are a "plasmat" design and converted work well for portraits.
the 370 ( converted 210/370 ) on a 5x7 .. once in a while, it does the trick ..
maybe the next size would work for a 8x10 ...

good luck!

 

[glennfromwy]

I have a 14 inch Commercial Ektar. Not what most folks would consider a "portrait" lens. Unless you like your portraits really, really sharp.

 

[Dave Wooten]

I have a 14 inch Commercial Ektar. Not what most folks would consider a "portrait" lens. Unless you like your portraits really, really sharp.

Sharp is good....like Karsh!

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

I love my 14" Commercial Ektar in shutter. It's a big hog, in an Ilex #5, but it produces a beautiful image. If you want something a bit less than razor sharp out of it, just shoot at f11 or wider.

 

[mark]

Okay. I think I see. I would need a 7inch packard, is that a 7 inch circumfirence?(Yep, I was a math teacher and can't spell it) I screw it in just behind the first pleat into the bellows frame right? That seems doable.

I want to shoot portraits and stationary objects wide open. Not necessarily needing tack sharp but If i can get sharp at small aperatures and not so sharp at open aperatures that would be even better. SOunds like the commercial Ektar might fit this bill. I will have to keep an eye out on ebay.

No problem steve.

What is a studio shutter?

 

[Dave Wooten]

What is a studio shutter?

Made by Wollensak Optical, many of the Verito's were mounted in this shutter. It has open and closed position, you can set f stop and has one shutter speed. A ltttle better than the hat over the lens shutter (maybe)

 

[Hugo Zhang]

Mark,

You might want to consider a "Packard box" with your 2D if you want to use multiple fast barrel lenses. I use a 12" F3.5 Dallmeyer Portrait lens, Heliar 36cm and 42cm lenses with this setup. Very happy with my results.

Hugo

 

[jimgalli]

Mark, Sorry to leave you hanging. My computer burned down and I'm at the library answering my e-mails. Normally I would snap some pics of my installation and show you exactly how mine is installed. 7" is the width square which gives a nice 4" opening big enough for a 15 or 16" f4 lens. Yes, it just goes in right up to the wood at the very front of the bellows. 4 screws hold it down. Then you've used up most of your space available so you need to be careful getting the air in. I drilled a hold just big enough to force a piece of 1/4" copper tubing through. Just a short piece. Rubber hose goes on both ends of the tubing. One up to the piston, and one out to the bulb. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Jim

 

[mark]

thanls jim. I'm a bit unclear on the copper tubing. But, since I don't have a [ackard to look at right now I will probably have a better understanding when I do.

 

[jimgalli]

Back at work this AM. My computer at home is still dead. I installed a Packard in a 2nd 'new-2-me' Kodak 2D yesterday. Couple of notes. The Packard size to look for is 6 1/2", not 7". 6 1/2" square outside dimensions, and the aperture that opens up is 3 1/2". Sorry, I was just going from memory before. Sweet installation, very easy. I'll probably take both 2D's with me to Per's Owens Valley workshop next week. May even sell the original one I had as the new one is just astonishingly minty.

 

[jimgalli]

pics!