Chinese new B/W multigrade paper

[czygeorge]

Chinese new B/W multigrade paper

pic attached were hand printed by using lucky multigrade paper(D73)

I was very surprised that the result this new paper gave me.Very nice tone and deep dmax.It was newly produced recently by Lucky factor in China.

Actually the multigrade paper technique was known by Chinese film manufactuer.But they just produced it until now.

Seriously a review of a darkroom paper should measure its contract curve in every single grade.I'll do it later(Also translate the manual of this paper)

Its price is surely cheaper than foma and ilford. And I really hope to share it with darkroom friends in other countries.

Today I contacted the manufacturer and got their quotation. The price is higher than I expected, but if the order quantity is appropriate, plus shipping, taxes, etc., it may still be reasonable cheaper than Foma and Ilford.

But there are indeed problems.
️First of all, as a paper product, if it is exported to Europe and the United States in large quantities by company, it needs a complete FSC chain.
And to achieve lower costs, it also requires large-scale qualified photo equipment dealers to import in large quantities.

But I still hope to share this photo paper with more individual darkroom photographers.

Secondly, it provides sizes from 5x7 to 20x24inches , 50 sheets of boxes each.

And also provide roll paper (100 rolls miniume),
1020mmx30m, 240mmx60m.

But because the MOQ of all specifications is very high (production will only be made after placing an order).

So temporarily, I think order made and share 10x12, matt (glossy, matt, silk are optional, if any type reaches the minimum order quantity, I will place an order for the factory to make) is the best idea.

If anyone wants to buy this photo paper, you are very welcome to contact me and tell me the quantity you need. I will register and contact the transportation co. Who will ship to your country, and calculate the cost.

After the MOQ is met and the order is placed in the factory (I will also find people who buy together in China). The larger the quantity, the more cost-effective the shipping cost will be. Of course, you can also share or sell privately (individual-to-individual) with friends in large group purchases.

As long as it is not imported or sold in the name of the company, there is no need to involve the issue of FSC

 

[Paul Howell]

Who makes it, Lucky?

 

[czygeorge]

Who makes it, Lucky?

yes sure

 

[czygeorge]

Thanks for moving this thread to correct group

 

[cmacd123]

well, they have two options, then - perhaps 3

1) get talking to a major distributor in each major market. they may well have both requirements and ideas on how to meet marketing requirements. AS a hevey product, container loads many be the only ecconomical way to get this into major markets.

2) list the product on a market place like E-bay. (I see many goods from that part of the world, taking advantage of the shipping setups like "Orange Connect" that e-bay supports)

3) work with one of the General retailers like SHEIN (there are several now) to add the product to what the retailer keeps in major markets and ships localy.

Certanly, Many of us would love to see a source of good quality paper for less than we curently pay for product like FOMA. It looks like Adox has put off their plans to make paper for a while. But without a firm idea of the total cost, it i hard to plan.

 

[czygeorge]

well, they have two options, then - perhaps 3

1) get talking to a major distributor in each major market. they may well have both requirements and ideas on how to meet marketing requirements. AS a hevey product, container loads many be the only ecconomical way to get this into major markets.

2) list the product on a market place like E-bay. (I see many goods from that part of the world, taking advantage of the shipping setups like "Orange Connect" that e-bay supports)

3) work with one of the General retailers like SHEIN (there are several now) to add the product to what the retailer keeps in major markets and ships localy.

Certanly, Many of us would love to see a source of good quality paper for less than we curently pay for product like FOMA. It looks like Adox has put off their plans to make paper for a while. But without a firm idea of the total cost, it i hard to plan.

hello cm
Thanks a lot for these wonderful advices! That's what I thought to do too
I'm trying to contact to the photo equipment agent to many countries

 

[pentaxuser]

hello cm
Thanks a lot for these wonderful advices! That's what I thought to do too
I'm trying to contact to the photo equipment agent to many countries

It looks as if you are the only source that Lucky has got to start the distribution of this new paper. Is that correct?

It just seems strange to me that given the cost of setting up multigrade paper production as a large volume producer that Lucky, the maker has not planned its distribution via a network of distributors for world markets?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[czygeorge]

It looks as if you are the only source that Lucky has got to start the distribution of this new paper. Is that correct?

It just seems strange to me that given the cost of setting up multigrade paper production as a large volume producer that Lucky, the maker has not planned its distribution via a network of distributors for world markets?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Yes that's also strange to me
Until this time cooperating with them make me know that.They just can't do world sale like fuji and kodak used to do.You never saw lucky color paper in your countrie's minilab right(But sure they do sell x-ray devices to other country)?
What they can do on paper is only to make and sell them in our country and only have little bit of price advantage(and China take13-17% tax to Fuji and Kodak color paper to protect it,This policy was applicated by Lucky),They just can do world sale.

This time if its multigrade paper can work out in Europe and America,will needs market accept it at a foma around retail price

 

[xande]

Can someone share a link to this paper?

 

[ags2mikon]

I just looked on line and didn't find a thing.

 

[snusmumriken]

It just seems strange to me that given the cost of setting up multigrade paper production as a large volume producer that Lucky, the maker has not planned its distribution via a network of distributors for world markets?

Maybe this thread is the plan?

 

[pentaxuser]

Well czygeorge was here on Photrio as recently as yesterday so he is in a position to give us an update, assuming he chooses to do and there is an update to be given

pentaxuser

 

[czygeorge]

Hi all
Sorry it's just I haven't seen any notification,now i realize here has a discussion.Hope it won't be so late

Here is the manual,it's in chinese but the most important specification like dmax is written in here

Yes you can't find any information (even very few in Chinese website) since it's a new product and they just don't even try hard on marketing it(It does make film and enlarge paper in history,but now they mostly produce and import medical film)

Here's the official website of it(unfortunately only has Chinese version) http://lkyl.luckyfilm.com/index/product/236.html?cate=134

I think they can't believe it either,when I was saying:let's share it with photographers abroad

The main problem now is price. Paper products exported to foreign countries need to go through very troublesome procedures (FSC chain). The most optimistic situation is to be on par with Foma photo paper. Obviously the market will not accept such a result.

 

[mshchem]

Hi all
Sorry it's just I haven't seen any notification,now i realize here has a discussion.Hope it won't be so late

Here is the manual,it's in chinese but the most important specification like dmax is written in here

Yes you can't find any information (even very few in Chinese website) since it's a new product and they just don't even try hard on marketing it(It does make film and enlarge paper in history,but now they mostly produce and import medical film)

Here's the official website of it(unfortunately only has Chinese version) http://lkyl.luckyfilm.com/index/product/236.html?cate=134

I think they can't believe it either,when I was saying:let's share it with photographers abroad

The main problem now is price. Paper products exported to foreign countries need to go through very troublesome procedures (FSC chain). The most optimistic situation is to be on par with Foma photo paper. Obviously the market will not accept such a result.
View attachment 348830

Thanks for information! I was able to view this in English. We don't have many people who participate from China, so the updates are greatly appreciated!
Best Regards Mike

 

[czygeorge]

Thanks for information! I was able to view this in English. We don't have many people who participate from China, so the updates are greatly appreciated!
Best Regards Mike

 

[ags2mikon]

Thank you for the information. I would love to try it out.

 

[ags2mikon]

Does Multitone variable contrast paper sold by B&H ring a bell here? I wonder about the pedigree for it is.

 

[czygeorge]

Does Multitone variable contrast paper sold by B&H ring a bell here? I wonder about the pedigree for it is.

First time hear itSeems like a very professional-use-only level

 

[ags2mikon]

On my next order to B&H I am going to order a 100 sheet box to try. There are not many reviews of it so I'm guessing. Some times we just need something to make prints with, not exhibition quality prints. So it may be just fine. Anyone here tried it yet?

 

[naaldvoerder]

Another big question, does it lith??

 

[ags2mikon]

I'm sorry I didn't mean to hijack this thread. So back to regular programming.

 

[Prest_400]

Another big question, does it lith??

I just stumbled upon this thread. Shook a bit the head om disbelief as Lucky color, BW film and anything else I haven't seen for many years and deemed discontinued.
My first thought has also been if it liths

 

[Paul Howell]

Is B&H still selling paper?

 

[GregY]

Is B&H still selling paper?

You bet they are!

 

[pentaxuser]

On my next order to B&H I am going to order a 100 sheet box to try.

How will you know if what B&H sell you is the same as the Chinese paper mentioned by czygeorge?

Thanks

pentaxuser