For most commercially packaged developers, following the manufacturer's recommendations is a good idea. With paper developers you are aiming for something that approaches complete development, in a development time that is practically convenient, sufficiently short to avoid fogging and sufficiently long to ensure uniform development . If you use a more dilute dilute developer, you will need to replace it more frequently, so economy isn't necessarily better.Tried finding the answer to my question, but it seems all dilution questions relate to film.
I understand the advantages and disadvantages of different dilution strengths for film developers, but what are the advantages and disadvantages for paper developers (other than a weaker dilution will work out to be slightly cheaper in the long run)?
within limits contrast can be controlled with developer dilution, which can be especially helpful when preparing paper negatives; I see no other need.Tried finding the answer to my question, but it seems all dilution questions relate to film.
I understand the advantages and disadvantages of different dilution strengths for film developers, but what are the advantages and disadvantages for paper developers (other than a weaker dilution will work out to be slightly cheaper in the long run)?
For most commercially packaged developers, following the manufacturer's recommendations is a good idea. With paper developers you are aiming for something that approaches complete development, in a development time that is practically convenient, sufficiently short to avoid fogging and sufficiently long to ensure uniform development . If you use a more dilute dilute developer, you will need to replace it more frequently, so economy isn't necessarily better.
Some developers are designed to give different image colour with different dilutions - I'll let someone who has made use of that flexibility comment on that.
EDIT: welcome to Photrio!
not my experience!Unlike film, you usually develop paper "to completion," meaning essentially as long as it makes any difference. You develop to the highest contrast possible. When you dilute the developer, you may get a little less contrast capability, but not usually much. The real advantage of diluting paper developer usually comes from increased working time. Doubling the dilution generally requires about half again as much time for development. This can be very valuable when working with large paper sizes.
Wow, that's dedication.Welcome to Photorio!
It is VERY exciting! I've been shooting and printing film for about 2 or 3 years now and it's always thrilling at ever step! Right now it's 3am here in the US and I'm drying a reel of HP5 to print before work.
And that's the way I plan on working.For a paper developer you can get a tray full of developer with less stock solution using a higher dilution. In other words, if I am just making a few prints it's nice to have a liter or soup in a 8x10 tray, but I hate to "waste"a half liter of stock paper developer, so I'll use a higher dilution and a little longer processing time.
very few papers ever had incorporated developers. I can't even think of any!Does it only matter if the paper does not have developing agents (or whatever term is) in the paper itself?
Hahaha...that's insomnia! I've been working in the field of aircraft manufacture and design for all of my life and much of the time, starting work at 4am or earlier was the norm. Unfortunately as I get older (I'm 58 now) I tend to do that anyway. I routinely get up anywhere between 12:00am and 4:00am every day. I do a lot of film stuff during that time because my wife is asleep and it's peaceful and quiet.Wow, that's dedication.
Yes and yes - but read through the Colour Film Paper and Chemistry sub-forum first, paying particular attention to RA-4 process printing (that is the Kodak designation for the long time current process).On another topic, Actually two parts to this, one is, do wet papers exists to print colour negatives, and two, should I start a new thread for this sort of thing?
Thanks Matt. Apologies for the badly positioned post.Yes and yes - but read through the Colour Film Paper and Chemistry sub-forum first, paying particular attention to RA-4 process printing (that is the Kodak designation for the long time current process).
That sub-forum is the best place to post that enquiry.
Nothing to apologize for - thanks for asking for directionsThanks Matt. Apologies for the badly positioned post.
very few papers ever had incorporated developers. I can't even think of any!
The Ilford RC Rapid papers come to mind Ralph, I bought some since it was at the time the only 8.5x11 paper I could get in a smaller quantity for contact proof sheets, the base has turned a disconcerting brown over the year. And any papers compatible with the Kodak Royal Print Processor including Kodak Kodabrome II RC papers.very few papers ever had incorporated developers. I can't even think of any!
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