...How important is wall projection? As mentioned, it's not really a happening thing with the current arrangement and I, myself, will basically never use it...but I may not be the only person that's using this kind of setup in the future. I have some ideas - move the shaft, create a locking bar, move the catchment latch, etc. - but unless that's a feature that a lot of people might want, I may not make it a huge priority right now...
...How much head/carriage travel is actually needed? Right now there's literally 29", which is over 30% more travel than the 45 chassis allows; that much travel might allow for additional chassis bracing at the top of the rails, albeit at the expense of overall height...
...How important is a print-it-yourself version of the conversion parts? I'm a big fan of sharing info so that people can build things for themselves if they want to do so, but since any printed parts are increasingly looking like they'll be made out of filaments that have special requirements for printers (as of early 2025) this may not be a feasible thing for some folks...and since material choice absolutely drives the design, I have to think about this pretty early in the process. Also, there may be some parts that simply can't be printed at-home, so I have to think about that as well...
...How important is back-conversion? Once the conversion parts are installed, how important is it to be able to remove them and use either the head or the chassis in their original configurations?...
...Would you be willing to drill a couple of holes? Nothing major, obvious, difficult or otherwise-problematic; just a hole or two...
...What am I not thinking about, here? What looks perfectly obvious that I'm not seeing, so far? Let me know if something stands out...
Seems that way, for sure. I love the extra-big-ass plates; it's possibly not where I would go with that process, but I definitely respect what he's doing with it.
I made progress on the 45 head situation today; I've discovered that you can mount nearly anything to anything else if you drill enough holes or use enough adhesive...but since I don't want to do any of either, options are limited. I think I have a mounting solution that's good enough for a rough draft, so I'm printing out the first piece of it tonight. If it proves feasible - and I'll post pictures tomorrow for critique and improvement suggestions - I'll start thinking harder on materials, hardware and the like; I want this to be a completely bolt-on conversion...or at least as close to that as is possible, within reason.
I also need to start making some solid decisions on the head that will go on this thing...and that's a whole new ball of wax.
So, I think I may be doing this backwards...
I was thinking about it yesterday/last night, and I realized that I don't have to use the factory 23 pivot shaft in its factory location; I could easily move that pivot point by placing the bulk of the mounting bracket on the carriage itself. In that scenario I could just use a single, small mounting dingus on the head, right at the top. You know; where it's supposed to mount.
Looking carefully at the 45H picture, one can see a bracket on the carriage; I'm not sure of the exact geometry, but it's very similar to what I was already thinking... except that I may try for something that maintains the pivot position where I have it, because that's kind of a nice place for it, overall. I can see that this might simplify construction and allow me to better use the structure of the carriage...so, to that end, I've decided to be smart: I found/ordered a reprint manual for the 45H and I'm going to see if I can glean any insight from Beseler directly. I won't really be able to replicate what they did on the 45H, but I may be able to either confirm or deny a revised proof of concept...and the revised concept that I'm working on is solid. It's simpler, with fewer custom parts, and more rigidity; that's an improvement all around.
I'll try to knock out some design work or prototypes here in the next few days, while I'm waiting on the manual...and on carbon filament as well. Ugh, reinventing the wheel is such a load.
Some answers:
Not at all important. The goal is small prints. No need for wall projection to do that.
Whatever travel is required to make an 8x10 print from a 4x5 negative with a 150mm enlarging lens would be more than adequate. Plus a bit more to enable cropping.
Not important at all. I don't have nor do I intend to obtain a 3-D printer.
Not at all important.
Yes.
I have no idea.
Diy, modern source (Heiland, and who else?), existing used? so many choices. I think every brand had a head or light source at one point.
You could completely ignore the pivot capability. I think another forum member alluded to this as well.
have you checked out KHB Photographix? If nothing else, the website is a good resource and may have pictures of various parts/pieces. There's also the Ollinger site:
@Sal Santamaura I'm curious which small formats you are into that relegates a saunders 4500 series to the "unused" section of your house? I think it's been determined that the 4x5 mixing box will still let one print 35mm and certainly lens changing is easy enough.
for 16mm and under, I think there are some hurdles, and it is a big machine for small negatives.
...Now, wall-projection is a different matter entirely. It was definitely a feature on the original narrow-chassis 45AF, and likely on the 45H as well; I've found some old literature confirming it, and which also seems to indicate that the aforementioned 8-32 screws had to be removed in order to accomplish it. An article on the 45AF from Modern Photography in 1959 states "And if you can't get a large enough print the normal way, it takes only a few seconds to loosen the two screws behind the lens stage and swing the entire enlarger into position for horizontal projection." The only two screws that it could be referencing - assuming a similar stage mounting bar - are the 8-32s that control parallelism; there aren't any others...and I mention this fact because from this one sentence it's clear that on the oldest of the 45 chassis there was a pivot point located somewhere around the top of the negative stage that was playing the exact same role as it is on my later MCRX head. It's been a dual-purpose mounting/adjusting arrangement from the beginning, I think...
When you are considering maximum enlargement sizes, it can be important to consider any negative holders that force you to work with the image projected in a portrait (rather than landscape) orientation.
Many enlargers permit rotation of the negative carrier, but some don't. My LPL 7700 is an example of the latter. For that reason, the position base of the column restricts maximum enlargement size for 6x4.5 negatives, or any 35mm, 6x7 or 6x9 negative cropped to a portion of the negative where the short dimension becomes the long side of the image.
As a septuagenarian, I now find lifting even the three boxes in which the 4500II's components are stored more effort than I wish to expend. So formats don't relegate it to a closet, residence and age do. Hope springs eternal about moving to a more appropriate home, so I keep the Saunders ready for "someday."
I believe there were changes made in the 23CIII. On mine, one need only depress a lever to unlock the head and rotate it 90 degrees.
Beseler enlargers do not travel well possibly because of their Bi plane inspired design!
I cursed my 45MX for years as I could not fathom why the focus stage was so stiff and jerky.
The problem was solved by trading an old Olympus point and shoot camera for an older Beseler 45.
I simply removed the light source and bellows an replaced it with the tapered bellows ass from the older machine.
I've copied the previous post to the thread about the recent server migration, found here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...r-any-issues-let-us-know.211287/#post-2865037
For nine years after I bought the 4500II, we lived in a townhouse. The fully assembled enlarger sat in a closet and, in my relative "youth," I effortlessly lifted the entire thing, including power supply and timer sitting on its baseboard, into one of the two large windowless bathrooms for printing sessions, replacing it in the closet when finished. Although occasionally shooting smaller formats, I primarily used 4x5.
Then, 30 years ago, we moved into a detached house that has but one small windowless bathroom without space to accommodate the 4500II. It is, however, able to fit the 23CIII, so I purchased one and began shooting medium format, with only an occasional 4x5 negative that would require the "overhead" of temporarily dragging out the Saunders and actually setting up on a box on the floor.
As a septuagenarian, I now find lifting even the three boxes in which the 4500II's components are stored more effort than I wish to expend. So formats don't relegate it to a closet, residence and age do. Hope springs eternal about moving to a more appropriate home, so I keep the Saunders ready for "someday."
I did a brief tour through the Prusa website (I have a client whose son has the Prusa mini), I did the little questionnaire, and it landed me right at the $1k Prusa mk4. Sigh.
Very nice parts. I'm curious how you are making these.
Very nice parts. I'm curious how you are making these.
What would you like to know? I'm happy to explain or clarify wherever needed.
Like how do you construct it?
I'm trying to learn Freecad. So are you using mesh, sketch, part, path, points?? The only thing I have ever created was just a modificaton of an existing STL file.
3d printing is no issue for me, I can get that done in multiple locations for free or very little so no need ever for a printer. Kind of like the 1980s when I shot slide film. I had access to an E6 machine, so I never needed one myself
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