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The US price quoted earlier in the week was (IIRC) $11.99, so doing the typical $1 = £1 conversion that would suggest something close to 12 GBP / Euros
It’s refreshing to see that you folks are still excited and intellectually stimulated by this mystery. I’ve become a bit bored and skeptical. In the past I’ve too often been disappointed by vague hype, and sometimes even by specific hype. Waiting to see… hopefully real reviews and analysis based on known/proven facts/evidence… sooner than later.
It's going to be significantly more here. I don't know what the $10.99 price is/was based on that we saw earlier on Reddit etc.; IDK if it'll be an actual retail price for this film in the US, and if so, for which retailer, if it was some kind of promotional price, how it relates to Harman's B2B list price, etc. I only know it's not a feasible price point for the retailer I spoke to here in mainland Europe.
Film doesn't have to be better, then people will just shoot digital. Right now the novelty is enough, probably for some time.
Just has to be different and not boring and reserved like portra.
Just has to be different and not boring and reserved like portra.
That was the price mentioned in the Reddit post. As far as I know it was list price for consumers (that’s what it looked like - an entry from a shop). Currently XP2 is $9.50 at B+H, £9.25 at Analogue Wonderland, so (maybe foolishly) I’m expecting somewhere around £11 - £12 for the colour film in the UK.
Very boring indeed, which is why I pay extra for Ektar. Lomo Color Negative 100 isn't bad however.
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The listing has been purged and removed from Google's cache, but that was the listed price on K&M Camera's website.
I wonder if this stuff will last 24hrs before it's sold out. I hope come time there's some real results to share. Haven’t heard anything from Nico, he's probably got a new episode ready to release on December 1st 1am UTC 
Well, it's less than a day and a half until midnight of December 1st for me.
Shall I let you know how it all turns out, or would you rather I not ruin the surprise?
Shall I let you know how it all turns out, or would you rather I not ruin the surprise?
Well, it's less than a day and a half until midnight of December 1st for me.
Shall I let you know how it all turns out, or would you rather I not ruin the surprise?
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Absolutely ruin the surprise. I watch Daybreak Australia on Bloomberg TV, I expect this to be their lead story!
I've never even heard of Daybreak Australia - but I'll apologise up front for it right now!
I've never even heard of Daybreak Australia - but I'll apologise up front for it right now!
Boring financial news. Starts in Australia, then Asia (Hong Kong), Europe (Frankfurt, London..), North America (NY then San Francisco) it's a great way to waste 24 hours. That is if it's not focused on the new Harman Phoenix Electric Car.
I'm way more excited about CHS100 in 120. And I like how Adox did it. Just drop the message. No teasing. And just making use of all the people waiting from another new film from a competitor, in 3 days
I think there is something ‘different’ about this new film. By that, I mean not the run of the mill 200 iso colour film. When you take on board comments made by those in the know ‘it’s not what you think’ & ’the data sheet is interesting’…
Perhaps extended red sensitivity or enhanced for scanning. There are a number of interesting permutations for a brand new emulsion. Not long to wait now though!
Perhaps extended red sensitivity or enhanced for scanning. There are a number of interesting permutations for a brand new emulsion. Not long to wait now though!
But Adox already has a following of people who specifically wanted them to restart 120 film production. It's also very much a niche within a niche product.
For Harman, their name is not well known outside of dedicated folk like ourselves....and a 200ISO C41 film is as mainstream as film gets these days. They're aiming at a much less dedicated audience that us "in the know" people. As it is, this Phoenix film is highly likely to sell out fast. Which is presumably not what Adox want with CHS100 in 120.
There are a few comments now mentioning quality standards and whether this product will be able to match the 'quality standards' of Kodak film at launch. Others mention it's going to be a 'preproduction run' and suggest 'quality' might still be work-in-progress and we might expect improvements if the first run sells well.
I'm unclear on where exactly this potential 'quality differential' (if present) might lie. If the product will initially be found to be 'qualitatively inferior' to Ultramax/Gold/Coloplus/Portra etc, in which way exactly might it be inferior?
eg:
-mechanical/manufacturing issues? Emulsion issues?
-poorer colour consistency across rolls?
-more visible grain than would be expected from a competing 200 iso product?
-lower colour fidelity based on a colour target test?
-something else entirely? (please explain)
In other words where might a newcomer to C41 film production need a few rounds of improvements or find it more difficult at first to match established competing products?
I'm unclear on where exactly this potential 'quality differential' (if present) might lie. If the product will initially be found to be 'qualitatively inferior' to Ultramax/Gold/Coloplus/Portra etc, in which way exactly might it be inferior?
eg:
-mechanical/manufacturing issues? Emulsion issues?
-poorer colour consistency across rolls?
-more visible grain than would be expected from a competing 200 iso product?
-lower colour fidelity based on a colour target test?
-something else entirely? (please explain)
In other words where might a newcomer to C41 film production need a few rounds of improvements or find it more difficult at first to match established competing products?
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Maybe - or maybe shorter red sensitivity, depending on what sensitising dyes have been used (and if those dyes are ones they already use).
Was never really a thing, especially not now when most scanning solutions other than consumer flatbeds are more than capable of handling the Dmax of colour neg films. The only real problem in the past was that some supercoats/ retouching surfaces could show up in dry scans - the rest of the garbage about 'scan optimising' was people with low grade scanners mucking around compromising their negs to no effect.
The colour rendering/ sensitivity being a bit wayward seems to be where the hints are pointing. If you dig up Ron's Colour System Engineering posts, you can see where the evolutionary steps run. From here, Harman's organic chemists will likely need to start producing more customised components (which gets expensive very very fast) to get it zeroed in. It may well be that Ilford has done this as an experiment to see where the couplers etc that they already make would get a colour film to, and Phoenix is being run up the flagpole to gauge demand before they go full steam ahead on making chemicals that would be needed to solve any weirdnesses.
I think a nice thick, flat film is “optimised for scanning” - something the curly ColorPlus definitely isn’t.
Much of this is just supposition, as far as I know no-one on this thread has actually used the film
We’ll find out on Friday (or a couple of weeks later when it’s developed)
Then there are issues with how it has been dried after processing.
And any competent scan system (or enlarger) is plenty capable of holding it flat.
That’s not an issue I have any control over (lab developed). It’s only ColorPlus, not other colour films, so that would suggest it’s a film issue, not a drying issue. As far as holding it flat, the issue isn’t once it’s in the holder, it’s getting it in there in the first place
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