Looking at the ad it would seem the film comes with a free condom!!Sad, I expected an upgraded DIY black an white product.
What comes next, a resurgence of one hour labs?
I think not.
Whilst I may be wrong I predict this product will drain the profitability of Ilfords Black and White world.
I remember a few years ago buying “Poundland Film” (“AgfaPlus Vista”AKA Fuji) for £1/roll, and then when they were getting rid of it 50p/roll. But the reason it was so cheap was because everyone was getting out of the film business. If that had continued for a few more years then there wouldn’t be a colour film business to be revived.. But I miss being able to buy a brick of 10 36-frame rolls for about £30-40, just a few years back. The prospect of having to spend £100 for the same these days means I hardly even bother with colour film these days (and less work for my local lab too).
We've lost it mostly because it was unsustainable. Color film is a gigantically complex product. When manufactured in small volumes, as is today's reality, the only way for it to survive is if it's expensive.we have lost the classic reliable cheap C-41 everyday film
Tbh it was never that cheap if you look at prices pre-2003 and factor in inflation. It’s just that digital, being “free”, has led to a race to the bottom in pricesCheap, good color film can't exist anymore. Those days are definitively over.
Tbh it was never that cheap if you look at prices pre-2003 and factor in inflation.
Thanks Henning for the insight again, I know you provided a good view of the different actors there and what would be the name that encompasses Monheim's manufacturing complex independently of the end product purchaser (Filmotec, Polaroid, etc)?That Ex-Agfa capital belongs to Polaroid and is working for Polaroid for more than a decade now.
InovisCoat has a contract that they can use the infrastructure in certain time-slots. But with the recent insolvency and further brain-drain that has of course become even more challenging.
Despite their start with original Agfa machinery from the former Agfa-Leverkusen plant and Agfa experts they needed more than a decade to produce a decent colour negative film. And had two insolvencies!
So you can imagine how difficult establishing an economically and technologically working colour film production is.
Best regards,
Henning
I recall seeing some resources from auctioning the Dutch film plant a decade ago. Quite sad how that went and interesting to know how the big manufacturers had sites per continent. Related to Ilford Harman by Geography is Kodak Harrow which closed relatively recently and now that I bring the topic, no idea of what happened to that plant's capital given that it manufactured color paper and film.That's certainly true. The race to the bottom was more of a free fall given how fast it all went. It took Fuji 1 year to go from full production in their EU film plant to total shutdown. One day they were pumping out pallets of film per day, the next day, they had to pull the plug. Those last pallets were the film that we could buy for €1/roll for some time until stock ran out. Which actually still hasn't happened, entirely - I can still purchase film here from those last production runs, but now it's more like €8/roll. Same film, just more expired.
Sad, I expected an upgraded DIY black an white product.
What comes next, a resurgence of one hour labs?
I think not.
Whilst I may be wrong I predict this product will drain the profitability of Ilfords Black and White world.
TB
I remember a few years ago buying “Poundland Film” (“AgfaPlus Vista”AKA Fuji) for £1/roll, and then when they were getting rid of it 50p/roll. But the reason it was so cheap was because everyone was getting out of the film business. If that had continued for a few more years then there wouldn’t be a colour film business to be revived.
But absolutely, Fuji miscalculated and ended up with millions of rolls. Shut down the European factory....then a few years later found themselves unable to manufacture enough film in Japan....and they're still having issues though I note one London dealer has just received several cases of genuine FujiFilm C200 so perhaps they're at it again in Japan? It looks like fresh film.
9,5 sprockets per frame!!!
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It definitely is a film.
Don't know about the format of the film. 9,5 sprockets per frame!!! They must be coming out also with a new camera!
JCH was right, obviously it really isn't what we thought it was!!!
Please explain your thinking process here.
Maskless
Very spikey spectral sensitivity
Pronounced dip in yellow sensitivity
Isn't it likely that they want no mask because they expect the vast majority of users to scan, and no mask will make inverting and getting decent colours easier for the average user?
Isn't it likely that they want no mask because they expect the vast majority of users to scan, and no mask will make inverting and getting decent colours easier for the average user?
The mainstream Kodak and Fuji films have returned. They can be found for ~$8 a roll in 3-packs at Freestyle and B&H, or your local camera store. I've had no trouble obtaining it since September.
Yes, obviously not a film, it's the new Harman semi-panoramic camera with a 24mm x 43mm negative size, 20 exposures to the roll!
The first and last statement relate to each other in terms of compensating one with the other
the middle one probably plays a role in it too.
I’d think that Harman would be using GMT/UTC to determine when December 1 starts.
For me it’s still yesterday. And if they mark the day start based on the location of their big reveal event, most of the world won’t know what happened until tomorrow, the day after.
4:00pm GMT UK time is the launch.
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