Escalating the situation especially with threats would be a terrible idea around here. I've been confronted maybe five times making photographs and thankfully all ended peacefully.
Have you ever had issues in photographing residential property?
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Biz card is a nice idea except I don't have one. It's just sometimes I find a historical architecture or interesting design that I like to record for my own enjoyment. I know in Japan you're not encouraged to do this and in some area of the states the property owner are always on the edge when seeing people with cameras, neighbors aiming security cameras on their property etc.
One time I was taking pictures of a shop with unique design from across the street. I was probably 30-40 yards away and a girl who was shopping there with her boyfriend went berserk. Not sure what her issue is, maybe she was cheating or some wannabee celeb I don't know.
One time I was taking pictures of a shop with unique design from across the street. I was probably 30-40 yards away and a girl who was shopping there with her boyfriend went berserk. Not sure what her issue is, maybe she was cheating or some wannabee celeb I don't know.
You did, in post 17. Taking a pic of an angry person and threatening to report them to the police is a very bad idea here. It may be a great idea where you live though, I wouldn't know.
Whatever happened to that famous Jim Reeves sentiment when he sang " a stranger's just a friend you do not know" 
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It's a case of being sensible. If I saw someone taking a photograph of my house with a cheap digital camera or a mobile phone I would take a photograph of them, and contact Neighbourhood Watch. We did have an incident 2 years ago where a man on a bicycle was photographing each, however we knew he would be captured on a state-of-the-art CCTV system, someone in the street works for a leading security company.
Some years ago I spotted someone photography our premises (at work) with a monorail camera, I went and had a chat as I was intrigued, as it was a public holiday. He had been commissioned by the City council to document the older buildings in the Quarter.
Ian
Some years ago I spotted someone photography our premises (at work) with a monorail camera, I went and had a chat as I was intrigued, as it was a public holiday. He had been commissioned by the City council to document the older buildings in the Quarter.
Ian
So much for the "City of Brotherly Love".
Yes. I am aware that threatening anyone with a gun in against the law. I am also keenly aware of my environment. This is a “small” place in Florida…. People are shot here on what appears to be a weekly basis (if I can trust the local news …?) and the defense offered is often an appeal to the “stand your ground” law. These, and other thoughts, calculations, …, went through my mind. Ask: what would success look like in this particular situation? Consider also that I will often need to walk, drive, etc., down this street. Again, because it’s a small town (a “village,” actually). The way things stand, I don’t walk by that location in fear, but aware. When I see this person (rarely, but I do), we nod and continue on our way; I do not feel it necessary to turn around.
At the end of the day, Americans will need to decide what kind of society they wish to create. I am no cultural or social scientist, but what I see here is a microcosm of what America will become (if it isn’t already) unless we deal with some profound structural issues. But this is a photo-related forum and not a place for cultural, political or philosophical digressions.
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Exactly!
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But Ian, what complaint would there be against him? He had done nothing illegal. What about the Google Street View cars?
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You forgot "And Sisterly Affection" but I'm sure the ladies forgive you. Nowhere I'd rather live, or photograph. It's a great city.
Interesting statement to make in the "Ethics and Philosophy" subforum.
Anyway, for what it's worth, in my opinion you reacted the correct way to the guy in the golf cart. Trying to assert your rights too emphatically would be taken as a disregard of his perceived rights (whatever they happened to be). The issue with encountering unknown humans in the wild is you don't know what has happened to them, what they're going through, what they think or believe, or how far they'll go if you push them.
I was once photographing on the street in rural France when a lady came out to ask me when we were going to renew the street's bitumen deck, then I saw it was in a really bad shape...
… and that should have been known at Post #0. This topic never ends well.
My, how times have changed.
(Photo by Robert Adams, Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1968)
My, how times have changed.
(Photo by Robert Adams, Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1968)
I wonder if Robert Adams would have been able to shoot this kind of picture (which is wonderful) in all tranquility nowadays, even In Europe.
He has remarked in the past about how un-tranquil his experiences were while making his work, and how he would make an image and quickly leave to avoid conflicts. If I remember correctly he also hired a security guard for at least one of his series, such was his concern. (I think it was for the Oregon clearcutting work)
I wouldn't be surprised if he had concerns while making the work for Turning Back given that nature of that project.
I seem to recall that he had some safety concerns while making his work in and around Los Angeles - primarily angry dogs and the occasional bout of gunfire.
Even gunfire?
OMG!
How lucky we are over here as owning weapons is prohibited (with some very rare exceptions).
But we still have angry dogs...
The other day, just before sunset, a pickup drove down the street, and someone in the vehicle fired off five rapid shots. I knew it was not fireworks, but by the time I got to the window, it was no where in sight. I would have taken a picture of the truck from INSIDE my house looking OUT -- that's legal isn't it???
If I had I been able to, I would have reported it to the Police -- along with the five spent rifle-shell casings I later found in the street. I guess the moral is that you don't have to take pictures of people's house to get shot at, but cameras can come in handy!
If I had I been able to, I would have reported it to the Police -- along with the five spent rifle-shell casings I later found in the street. I guess the moral is that you don't have to take pictures of people's house to get shot at, but cameras can come in handy!
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You need to be aware of your surroundings and the local culture, whether urban, suburban, or rural. Yes, I can think of quite a few places you might get shot at for aiming a camera the wrong direction.
Maybe there's a meth lab or weird cult on the property, or an illegal dope grow. Maybe they just plain don't like outsiders milling around. Maybe they think you're some kind of spy or Govt agent. I'm not joking at all. I've had some very close calls. Some places, even the law enforcement is hostile or involved in illegal activity. I've learned when I need to operate fast using MF gear, versus foolishly attracting attention using a slower view camera, which might get mistaken for surveying equipment.
I'm not going to take the time to recite specific personal stories; but I do have plenty of them. And I'm not going to refer to specific places, lest what I have said get mistaken for any kind of "P" statement. There are just certain things you shouldn't do as a photographer. Don't take a selfie beside a bison bull. Don't walk up to a grizzly bear and her cubs. And don't take chances with hostile or unpredictable drugged people.
Maybe there's a meth lab or weird cult on the property, or an illegal dope grow. Maybe they just plain don't like outsiders milling around. Maybe they think you're some kind of spy or Govt agent. I'm not joking at all. I've had some very close calls. Some places, even the law enforcement is hostile or involved in illegal activity. I've learned when I need to operate fast using MF gear, versus foolishly attracting attention using a slower view camera, which might get mistaken for surveying equipment.
I'm not going to take the time to recite specific personal stories; but I do have plenty of them. And I'm not going to refer to specific places, lest what I have said get mistaken for any kind of "P" statement. There are just certain things you shouldn't do as a photographer. Don't take a selfie beside a bison bull. Don't walk up to a grizzly bear and her cubs. And don't take chances with hostile or unpredictable drugged people.
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