Hello APUG from FILM Ferrania (PART 2)

[mshchem]

Well "professional" films not only had different storage requirements/shelf life, but most have different qualities, for example portra is designed for portrait photography, enhancing skin tones etc. In saying that, i love it for regular everyday shooting, and you can tell a noticeable difference in colour and grain with my scans when compared to regular kodak max or kodak gold for example. Of course this does not mean that a film is crap at all if its not a "professional" film.

Either way, i will be treating all Ferrania films as "professional" films that come out of the LRF, and I am excited to see what we will have available to shoot in the future

Plus 1 on the Portra I shoot a lot of both 400 and 160 medium format it is sublime. It never ceases to amaze me. Like you say it's not just for portraits. I did a bunch of spring tulips etc. A few years back printed a bunch of 8x10s from 6x7 negatives, stunning natural color.
Best Mike

 

[cmacd123]

EDIT: Scotchchrome was marketed as IMATION here in Australia. It disappeared completely around 2001.

3M decided to spin off their Media businesses, (film and Magnetic tape, and diskettes) as IMATION. I did get some film at the time with Imation edge printing. shortly thereafter, the film business at the Italian Plant was sold to a venture capital firm, who brought back the Ferrania name, while concentrating on the colour Negative and private label business. Any R&D was likly on the C-41 products, although the lessons learned could likly be useful as the E6 products are brought online.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

3M decided to spin off their Media businesses, (film and Magnetic tape, and diskettes) as IMATION. I did get some film at the time with Imation edge printing. shortly thereafter, the film business at the Italian Plant was sold to a venture capital firm, who brought back the Ferrania name, while concentrating on the colour Negative and private label business. Any R&D was likly on the C-41 products, although the lessons learned could likly be useful as the E6 products are brought online.

Ah so! So it was 3M. I see the link now. Most educational. 2000-2001 was about the very last time I saw and used a floppy disk (Imation-branded), big or small.

 

[cmacd123]

I saw and used a floppy disk (Imation-branded), big or small.

I have a few IMATION disks for my Sony Mavica, but that is off topic here. Bought them on close out from Freestyle.

 

[jeztastic]

If you check the Kickstarter updates, you'll see that Dead Link Removed. You do it through your Kickstarter account.
At some point, we'll pull the backer database from Kickstarter and we'll email every backer individually to ensure that we have the right address - but it's best that you keep it updated on Kickstarter.

Great, thanks for the advice.

 

[flavio81]

Did they? All of them? Hook, line and sinker?
Around the world long-established analogue pros occupy a niche in a market over-saturated with patent digital crap. Hell knows how many actually use negative vs slide or slide vs negative or both.

No reason for amateurs to angle for professional-grade film (and in doing so, add to the Carp Pile) if they have no idea or no care how to expose it precisely to obtain the maximum benefit from it. This applies to the long-defunct pro-packaged Kodachrome 64 and 200 emulsions, as much as the Ektachromes and up to the present-day Fujichrome stocks. Most photographers would be doing themselves a favour by sticking with negative film instead of carping on the web about how slide film stuff up their day. To me, slide film makes my day!

EDIT: Scotchchrome was marketed as IMATION here in Australia. It disappeared completely around 2001.

I hope things are as you say, since the pros on my city aren't even aware that films are still sold.

As for amateurs, don't underestimate amateurs... By definition "amateur" is someone who does it for the love/pleasure of it. While "professional" does it by engagement and for profit. Correct me if i'm wrong. APUG is filled with amateurs that have a lot of knowledge and of course are able to expose properly a slide film. My stepdad, an amateur, did expose a lot of Kodachrome 64 properly, slides are there to prove it. My grandparent, which had no further involvement in photography, also exposed his Agfachromes and Kodachromes correctly most (not all) of the time.

Slide films, like Agfachromes and Kodachromes in the 50s, 60s and 70s, were routinely used by everybody who wanted to capture moments and project them, not just professionals nor amateurs.

As for slide film, it seems that you are seeing (color) negative film as inferior? Then would you please instruct me on how to do really good prints from (color) slides, in the analog domain, in year 2016. Yes, i do love slides as well, but negatives have their place too.

 

[Meyer Trioplan]

What were some of the common rebrands of Ferrania film, negative (as well as reversal if any) that might be readily found online?

 

[flavio81]

What were some of the common rebrands of Ferrania film, negative (as well as reversal if any) that might be readily found online?

Lomography color negative 400, 800, 200, and 100; if it says "made in Italy"

 

[Prest_400]

And yes, Solaris was considered a "consumer" product.

It's probably now a good time to point out that we think these distinctions are antiquated and really just pointless.

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Our films will be the best we can produce at all times. You can't really call it "pro" because pros only rarely shoot film these days. And you certainly can't call it "consumer" because that market was swallowed by smartphones. I'm generalizing, of course, but this is the reality as we see it.

I know that our factory team is eager to put Ferrania's consumer-focused past behind us and to show off what they can really do...

I would say for the simple reason of people appreciating each film characteristics.

For example. Kodak used to boast fine grain in the recent films. Does this make TMax a Pro film and Tri-X not? I know both have the professional surname, but Ilford's don't. Delta is branded as Professional and HP5 is simply plain. I think Ilford's model is quite adequate for the reason, HP5+ plainly being itself without categorization.

I recall when Ferrania was still around there wasn't much word about their films. Their positioning was private label and affordable films. But their characteristics may be very well appreciated for many uses! Afterall film is appreciated for what it is!

Forza Ferrania!

 

[Meyer Trioplan]

Lomography color negative 400, 800, 200, and 100; if it says "made in Italy"

Thanks. I've done a few searches and found that Clark and Kroger are also common rebrands here in the states. I do like Lomo 100, but mine is more recent and apparently rebadged Kodak made in the US.

 

[BAC1967]

Thanks. I've done a few searches and found that Clark and Kroger are also common rebrands here in the states. I do like Lomo 100, but mine is more recent and apparently rebadged Kodak made in the US.

These were shot on 3M/Ferrania re-branded as York film, expired May 2007. I believe York is a photo store in the US.

Seagull in Flight by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr

Riley at the Beach by Bryan Chernick, on Flickr

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

APUG is filled with amateurs

And some professionals as well.

 

[flavio81]

And some professionals as well.

Oh, sorry, Mr. Professional Photographer, i'm sorry i offended you.

You are really a "tough nut to crack"...

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Oh, sorry, Mr. Professional Photographer, i'm sorry i offended you.

You are really a "tough nut to crack"...

I wasn't talking about me. I'm very glad to be an amateur.

 

[cmacd123]

What were some of the common rebrands of Ferrania film, negative (as well as reversal if any) that might be readily found online?

Film Ferraniia posted a picture on their facebook page of some of the labels saved as a poster by the Converting group over the years.
https://www.facebook.com/filmferran...0.1464924782./703469336422164/?type=3&theater

some brands include K-mart, Sears, Zellers, Sooters Arista!

I have also seem some foma Equicolor colour film that looked suspiciously like Ferrania. although for a while foma seemed to be using up left over Ferrania c-41 Cassettes to package their fomapan and Arista.EDU ultra film. (sure hope the bar code did not cause anyones b&W film to get put through a C-41 line by mistake)

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

K-Mart!? Saw in our local dig boxes of (expired) Kodacolor Gold in 24 exposures. K-Mart "once-upon-a-time, a long time ago" was a whistlestop for picking up Kodachrome. Things have changed! Now it's a pit stop for B-Double-pram pushing mums seeking pillows, placemats and batteries...

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

As for slide film, it seems that you are seeing (color) negative film as inferior? Then would you please instruct me on how to do really good prints from (color) slides, in the analog domain, in year 2016. Yes, i do love slides as well, but negatives have their place too.

No, I didn't say, nor think that negative film is inferior -- I can understand why so many more people use it over slide film (e.g. this thing folks have that slide film is only good for projecting is a shibolleth). One point: among professional-level users of Ilfochrome Classic, slide film was the majority preferred material; I do not recall any photographers ever submitting negatives for printing to Ilfochrome Classic. There is something, in my mind, suggesting the internegative step here in regard to positive vs negative use.

Yes Flavio, I know and can appreciate that it is very difficult and frustrating, it not impossible for people who want to be involved in colour printing cannot do so for want of the facility and/or chemicals, or the cost. I do not know what the situation is in South America (a country I would love to visit!!). Around the world, wouldn't it be true that RA4 printing is still done by people in home darkrooms? What about community darkrooms? Pro labs though work the hybridised way (same RA4 chemicals, different exposure source). This is the pricey way of doing it (but no waste).

I do use neg film! Portra, Delta P3200 (this afternoon), TMax and occasionally any oddball film I come across in stores when I'm travelling (for the craic!).

 

[flavio81]

Yes Flavio, I know and can appreciate that it is very difficult and frustrating, it not impossible for people who want to be involved in colour printing cannot do so for want of the facility and/or chemicals, or the cost. I do not know what the situation is in South America (a country I would love to visit!!). Around the world, wouldn't it be true that RA4 printing is still done by people in home darkrooms?

RA4 printing is available here, but no analog reversal printing at all. Who knows, perhaps Ferrania can produce a reversal paper, or... or... (corrado balestra, are you on this forum?!) a reversal e6 film of lower contrast which is specially matched to print correctly on "reversed" RA4. I'm just dreaming of course, but the idea would be that the film will not be suitable for projection, but it will allow you to see the correct image and colors, while also having wider latitude (due to lower contrast). Ok, i'm dreaming. If they do a Scotchchrome 640T or 1000 in 120 format i will be extremely happy.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

a reversal e6 film of lower contrast which is specially matched to print correctly on "reversed" RA4.

We've been wishing for this since Nelson lost his outboard!!

 

[flavio81]

We've been wishing for this since Nelson lost his outboard!!

I wonder if the E6 processing times or developer dilutions can be altered for achieving this lower contrast. Basically the target is exactly the same contrast as a negative film.

 

[flavio81]

Another possibility: FerraniaChrome "per ingranditori" (for enlargers) in 8x10" (or bigger) film sheets that can be processed in E6 process, paper ISO speed, and thus allow you to enlarge a regular slide into a BIG transparency. Mount on a light box and the results will be fantastic. I think Kodak made such a thing.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

I wonder if the E6 processing times or developer dilutions can be altered for achieving this lower contrast. Basically the target is exactly the same contrast as a negative film.

If that were so, I strongly suspect it would have been tried by now. I'm not aware of it. It is possible to expose e.g. Velvia to look like Reala in ideal light conditions, with no problem at all with contrast. If you shoot high contrast scenes with high contrast film, expect trouble. The odd player in this though is Rollei's CR 200, which does not muck up shadows. I would be interested to know where Ferrania's offering sits in terms of contrast.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

Another possibility: FerraniaChrome "per ingranditori" (for enlargers) in 8x10" (or bigger) film sheets that can be processed in E6 process, paper ISO speed, and thus allow you to enlarge a regular slide into a BIG transparency. Mount on a light box and the results will be fantastic. I think Kodak made such a thing.

Let's get the first 120 roll off the production line, then think about 8x10.

 

[flavio81]

If that were so, I strongly suspect it would have been tried by now.

Well, lately i've been impressed by the amount of things that are possible, have been tried before, but are not well known. For example the use of salt as a fixer, or making a bw reversal bleach by using only h2o2 and citric acid!!

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

Well, lately i've been impressed by the amount of things that are possible, have been tried before, but are not well known. For example the use of salt as a fixer, or making a bw reversal bleach by using only h2o2 and citric acid!!

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