Not many details, but it's a multi format daylight film development tank system. Not sure how it's gonna work...
http://www.ars-imago.com/lab-box/
http://www.ars-imago.com/lab-box/
Lab-Box Kickstarter
-
A
- Thread starter farmersteve
- Start date
Recent Classifieds
-
Want to Buy Shen Hao TFC617 A or B
- Started by djdister
-
Free CP40Y Color Printing Filtet
- Started by Roger Thoms
-
For Sale For Sale: 55mm ƒ/1.8 SMC Pentax Takumar Lens (M42 thread) and 50mm ƒ/2 Pentax-M
- Started by Kodachromeguy
-
Want to Buy Half Case For Nikon F
- Started by chuckroast
Forum statistics
"Not many details" seems to be a bit of an understatement. I'm following along because I'm curious, but I expect they'll have a hard time overcoming the simplicity of something like a Paterson tank and changing bag.
After all, the changing bag isn't a terribly large item to store, and is kind of useful for a range of tasks. I'm very curious as to what they have to say about what to do if the reel jams on you while you're trying to load important photos. "Put it in a changing bag or take it to a dark room"?
After all, the changing bag isn't a terribly large item to store, and is kind of useful for a range of tasks. I'm very curious as to what they have to say about what to do if the reel jams on you while you're trying to load important photos. "Put it in a changing bag or take it to a dark room"?
OP
OP
More details on their Facebook page, but they have a lot to explain before anyone plunks down some money!
https://www.facebook.com/labboxfilmtank
https://www.facebook.com/labboxfilmtank
Sometimes I look at Kickstarter programs and have to ask myself, 'what's the point?"
This looks like it might be an expensive Rube Goldberg solution to what has been solved simplistically already.
This looks like it might be an expensive Rube Goldberg solution to what has been solved simplistically already.
Looks like it will solve mankind's existential problem of going in a clothes closet to load film on a stainless steel reel. You really don't need a "darkroom" to load film, you need a "dark room".
Hmm...
If they want to put some effort, they should try doing a daylight-loading tank for Super 8 /DS8 and 16mm reels.
As the posters above said, nothing that you can't do with a simple changing bag and a simple tank.
If they want to put some effort, they should try doing a daylight-loading tank for Super 8 /DS8 and 16mm reels.
As the posters above said, nothing that you can't do with a simple changing bag and a simple tank.
"Not many details" is a curious way of saying none. There is an old and very wise saying "A fool and his money are soon parted."
OP
OP
Yah, you know I was trying to be kind and give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually have a viable product and a plan! So far, it doesn't seem that way...
How many of such
Agfa overall made 4 models, Jobo made 2, and I found at least 3 models by other (non-german) manufacturers.
All systems had the benefit of "easy" loading, but then you were bound to that system, that only allowed to process one film at a time.
Only the Jobo tanks allowed inverting agitation.
Agfa overall made 4 models, Jobo made 2, and I found at least 3 models by other (non-german) manufacturers.
All systems had the benefit of "easy" loading, but then you were bound to that system, that only allowed to process one film at a time.
Only the Jobo tanks allowed inverting agitation.
Last edited:
Looks like a shitty rondinax clone by someone who can't design. In 90 years at least do something new...
Last edited:
The fact that such tanks already had been made in several models, but merely ever were mentioned here at Apug should be telling.
They sure are appealing to beginners, and that likely is the market to look at. Whether they then would stick to those tanks is something else.
They sure are appealing to beginners, and that likely is the market to look at. Whether they then would stick to those tanks is something else.
The only thing I can see that might set this apart from other products is that they hint that the entire process can be done in daylight.....have they perhaps developed a system where no changing bag is needed in order to get the film from the canister/spool into the chemistry?
Otherwise...I'll stick with my black bag and Jobo which can already handle 135 and 120.
Otherwise...I'll stick with my black bag and Jobo which can already handle 135 and 120.
All the products I hinted at above let you process film completely in the light from the start, without need for a dark room or changing bag.There were tanks for both formats.
So this technology of just putting a film-roll or a cassette into a tank in daylight is many decades old.
With the recent Jobo ones the most advanced.
The only new feature at this Kickstarter project is that just one tank accepts both, type 135 and type 120, films.
What on travel would be a slight advantage over having to take with you two Agfa Rondinax tanks.
Terminology:
The tanks we use commonly are day-light processing tanks.
Those tanks we are talking about here are daylight-loading tanks.
So this technology of just putting a film-roll or a cassette into a tank in daylight is many decades old.
With the recent Jobo ones the most advanced.
The only new feature at this Kickstarter project is that just one tank accepts both, type 135 and type 120, films.
What on travel would be a slight advantage over having to take with you two Agfa Rondinax tanks.
Terminology:
The tanks we use commonly are day-light processing tanks.
Those tanks we are talking about here are daylight-loading tanks.
Last edited:
Andrew O'Neill
Moderator
How will this work with 120 film and it's backing paper? Hopefully this will be cleared up on their kickstarter page.
Andrew O'Neill
Moderator
You drop the roll in the tank, feed a little leader into a slot until it grabs onto the reel, close the lid, wind the film in... but where does the backing paper go, and how to you separate it from the film?
The Agfa Rondinax 60 is designed in a way that the film proper is automatically fed into the apparatus and the backing paper is let out off the apparatus again, employing a built-in intermediate container for the film.
see here:
By its principle of working the Rondinax 60 is a Rondinax 35 added by a built-in container to take up the film (now being covered, a bit like a type 135) before it is attached to the reel core and pulled into the reel.
see here:
By its principle of working the Rondinax 60 is a Rondinax 35 added by a built-in container to take up the film (now being covered, a bit like a type 135) before it is attached to the reel core and pulled into the reel.
Last edited:
Any scammer worth his weight isn't going to go after the analog photography community to make his fortune. Anyway, there's a link to their Facebook page which has a few more details -- but more than anything, it suggests that they're pretty serious about this.
Last edited:
Well, not exactly the item I am shopping for right now, but not bad at all.
For the following reason: I really like that so many people want to launch new products for the analogue market. If I do not remember wrong, this year has seen quite a few projects like the Jobo CPE3, the Stark Film & Paper Processor, the Mercury Universal camera, there was a SP-445 autopilot for the LF community, there was a brief moment of "Osiris autoprocessor". There is the Polywarmtone Project going on, we got the Lupex paper back, Heiland has given us a new Darkroom Safelight, there is a Versamask successor and for sure there was a lot more I forgot or never knew about.
That is actually the best news of all: We are not dying out, but this is growing community & market.
For the following reason: I really like that so many people want to launch new products for the analogue market. If I do not remember wrong, this year has seen quite a few projects like the Jobo CPE3, the Stark Film & Paper Processor, the Mercury Universal camera, there was a SP-445 autopilot for the LF community, there was a brief moment of "Osiris autoprocessor". There is the Polywarmtone Project going on, we got the Lupex paper back, Heiland has given us a new Darkroom Safelight, there is a Versamask successor and for sure there was a lot more I forgot or never knew about.
That is actually the best news of all: We are not dying out, but this is growing community & market.
I don't think it's a scam, just an early announcement. The Kickstarter project hasn't begun yet.
They also sell analogue stuff like a monobath developer, Caffenol kits, films, etc.. See: http://www.ars-imago.com
It seems they are targeting the Lomo crowd and the "young-without-any-analogue-awareness"?
If it helps to bring them into the analogue world then I'm all for it. It might be a nice step-up to the "real" analogue tools from the past.
They also sell analogue stuff like a monobath developer, Caffenol kits, films, etc.. See: http://www.ars-imago.com
It seems they are targeting the Lomo crowd and the "young-without-any-analogue-awareness"?
If it helps to bring them into the analogue world then I'm all for it. It might be a nice step-up to the "real" analogue tools from the past.
These things are supposed to be available August 1 from Freestyle. Has anybody seen one?
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/192898-ARS-IMAGO-LAB-BOX-135-Black
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/192898-ARS-IMAGO-LAB-BOX-135-Black
ARS-IMAGO is quite trustworthy and has been a valuable and reliable supplier of film-related chemistry in Italy.
It would be good for all of us suing film if the new tank generates interest and sales. If I were new to film processing, this would look like a very attractive alternative to what is already available.
I also think that ( most of us here), have enough developing gear to go around to several darkrooms and won't be buying this one; that's certainly my case.
It would be good for all of us suing film if the new tank generates interest and sales. If I were new to film processing, this would look like a very attractive alternative to what is already available.
I also think that ( most of us here), have enough developing gear to go around to several darkrooms and won't be buying this one; that's certainly my case.
| Photrio.com contains affiliate links to products. We may receive a commission for purchases made through these links. To read our full affiliate disclosure statement please click Here. |
PHOTRIO PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:  |