The latest film samples are out, and honestly, they’re nothing like what I imagined. At this point, I don’t have any expectations left.
The "Hand-Made" is what we are calling the project at the moment, with our English name still being determined.
Also with about the hand-made part, The "Hand-Made" is what we are calling the project in Chinese at the moment, with our English name still being determined.
As long as the right product at the right quality comes out at the right volumes...
I think that's actually an excellent comparison!
Don't forget that a company like FujiFILM is called that ('film') because they're so darn good at making thin layers of stuff. And making thin layers with great consistency and great quality is actually pretty darn challenging to. It just happens that photographic film is exactly that - very thin layers, with very good consistency. Fuji built a multi-billion corporation on that trick. It took them more than a handful of PhD's and a year's worth of R&D to get there.
The reason why I did not post about this on our development blog is due to the fact that this is still from the first batch of 120 test films. I am awaiting test shots when a more consistent/even results are shown when our automated process kicks in.
The 400 speed/peel apart film will be announced this week, due to family here in Canada/Valentine's Day I was not able to make the post in time. There is also a lens announcement this week as well, but that is not related to here.
Also with about the hand-made part, The "Hand-Made" is what we are calling the project in Chinese at the moment, with our English name still being determined.
spincoating. It also speeds up drying, too. Not sure whether it would scale for film
So you can confirm then that the volume manufacturing will be done on an automated coating line and a roll-to-roll approach? Or will it actually be hand-coated on large sheets?
Just out of curiosity really; of course, in the end, it doesn't really matter how a manufacturer does their work - whether they automate production using machines, have 20 young ladies sitting in a row in the dark fondling coating rods or dancing elves in IR-filtered moonlight. As long as the right product at the right quality comes out at the right volumes...
It will be an automated process. No matter how perfect a person does manual coating, it will never get a consistent result in comparison to machines. Also matter of production quantities and qualities...
The 400 speed/peel apart film will be announced this week, due to family here in Canada/Valentine's Day I was not able to make the post in time. There is also a lens announcement this week as well, but that is not related to here.
It will be an automated process.
Totally agree. Really hoping for more official info and some detailed images.Thanks for participating here. Much appreciated.
Could you please show in the coming weeks photos or videos of the production line and used machinery? Interviews with the emulsionist?
That would be at least very good for the credibility of your company.
Because all smaller companies who have worked on a revival of film products so far have done that in detail and with great transparency (Impossible Project / Polaroid, Film Ferrania, ADOX).
As a "lens lover", I personally would also be very interested in a video documentary about your lens production. So far I have not seen any photos or videos about it (or maybe I have overlooked it?).
Could you please show in the coming weeks photos or videos of the production line and used machinery? Interviews with the emulsionist?
Actually true, I had a tour of a Battery manufacturing facility for work reasons and some overall discussion of the process involved. First thing I thought was the analogies to film manufacturing. Interestingly, that facility used extrusion coating.So I have a question. Do you guys know how Li-Ion batteries are made? You take a substrate and apply ultra-thin coatings containing lithium ion compounds suspended in a gel. And a ton of these batteries are made in China. There’s lot of coating infrastructure there and people who know how the machines work and how to coat ultra-thin layers of stuff onto rolls
The current (color) film manufacturers use curtain coating but for B&W manufacturing
Is that the coating head in the image shared?In fact, it’s been revealed that LLL has already invested 20 million yuan into this project and is planning to invest 200–300 million yuan to set up a production line and manufacture film.
Honestly, with a budget this high, wouldn’t it be more straightforward to just acquire an existing company?
Is that the coating head in the image shared?
it’s been revealed that LLL has already invested 20 million yuan
But IMO a simple B&W film isn’t completely out of the question. Am I expecting TMax or Tri-X or Delta? No of course not, but it might be something.
Is Phoenix a competitor to Kodak or Fuji color films? No, absolutely not. And Harman are fully aware of that. That didn’t stop them from making it, or people from buying it, if for no other reason than it is an actual new film that isn’t repacked from anything else and has potential.Yes but isn't the real question: Could it compete with any of the 3 films above in terms of price, qualities and QC? I am assuming of course in all of this that neither Harman, Kodak, Foma or Adox will abandon the film market any time soon
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