If you use marbles to fill up the air space or blanket the bottle with argon or butane the storage life of an open bottle is nearly that of a never-opened one. Six months shouldn't be a big deal.
I had some pretty odd results with HR-50, if it's of interest to anyone. Resolution and grain seem slightly worse than Copex in ideal circumstances, but especially in HR-Dev it feels like it performs much more 'normally' in terms of contrast and shadow detail. No edge effect either.
The hr-dev caused the staining?
Agfa Copex Rapid is a microfilm, HR-50 is not.
Therefore sharpness and resolution of CoRa are higher, which is to be expected (tested both films in my resolution test and got exactly the expected results).
But I've got finer grain with HR-50 in HR Dev compared to CoRa in the dedicated SPUR developer. Was also expected, no surprise. I've got sharp results with HR Dev, too.
And I have also never had any problems with staining.
Best regards,
Henning
Agfa Copex Rapid is a microfilm, HR-50 is not.
Therefore sharpness and resolution of CoRa are higher, which is to be expected (tested both films in my resolution test and got exactly the expected results).
But I've got finer grain with HR-50 in HR Dev compared to CoRa in the dedicated SPUR developer. Was also expected, no surprise. I've got sharp results with HR Dev, too.
And I have also never had any problems with staining.
Best regards,
Henning
I actually just got some Copex Rapid to try out
Sorry for being out of the loop here: how is that result expected?
I thought SPUR, which was paired also to Copex Rapid as ADOTECH IV is to CMS 20 II, was for taming the contrast while keeping the sharpness.
Does the drastic amount that these developers tame the contrast have negative effects elsewhere such that HR-50 is finer-grained with its developer?
Honestly, this thread coming back makes for a perfect time to ask about trying it! I got some CoRa and some ADOTECH IV... cause why not.
Here is a film for archiving movies presently available in cassettes, IDK how it compares to the Agfa films:
Review:Kodak 2238 Black & White Film Pan ISO 25 35mm x 36 Exp Roll - Kodak 2238 Black & White Film 35mm Pan ISO 25
BACK IN STOCK Kodak 2238 Black & White Film Pan ISO 25 35mm x 36 Exposure Roll - Loaded by Photo Warehouse As many of you most likely already know, Kodak Panchromatic Separation Film 2238 (ESTAR Base) is a black-and-white film and was originally intended for making archival black-and-white...www.ultrafineonline.com
Also:Film Review Blog No. 60 – Eastman Kodak 2238 Panchromatic Separation Film
Back last year I made a single roll review of the Eastman 2238 film, but now that I have a lot more resources available to me and having found three rolls sitting in my storage,www.alexluyckx.com
Eastman 2366 ISO 6 Blue-Sensitive B&W Film Review
Sroyon reviews the unusual Kodak Eastman 2366, an ultra-low ISO film that's particularly sensitive to blue light.casualphotophile.com
Well this brings up something else: what does "pictorial halftone photography" mean compared to "continuous tone"? I see it used when talking about film + developer pairs that are used to lower super-high contrast films. But what does "halftone" mean in photography? Does it mean the emulsion is so thin that there will be a halftone-like rendering? That gradations will look spotty rather than smooth? And does that mean such films can be used to directly make halftones for printing?Because Agfa Copex Rapid is a microfilm with much higher light sensitivity than most other microfilms (like Agfa HDP). Rapid = fast.
It gives excellent resolution and sharpness, but is not as extremely fine grained as other microfilms with much lower sensitivity.
The base film for HR-50, and the ADOX Speed Boost technology, have a completely different origin and are related to pictorial halftone photography, not to microfilm applications like CoRa.
Hmm, then let me focus on the CMS 20 developer by comparison. Because I can try HR-50 and its developer another time.SPUR's approach with their special developers for microfilms is:
- taming the contrast and creating a more linear characteristic curve
- exploiting the film speed as best as possible
- optimising the sharpness and resolution of the film.
The best developer for Agfa Copex Rapid is the current SPUR Dokuspeed SL-N.
If you want to fully exploit the potential of CoRa, that is the developer to use. I generally recommend to avoid conventional developers for this film: It is like putting the wheels of your 60 years old VW Beetle to your current Ferrari.
Ok ok! I ordered some SL-N for the CoRa and some CMS 20 for my ADOTECH. Now they'll all be happy married! Should I shoot each at their rated speed?See above, don't waste very rare high quality film and high-value developer by using a sub-optimal combination. For CoRa, use Dokuspeed SL-N.
Films for archiving movies (Kodak, Fuji, still in production) eg Kodak 2238, Fuji Eterna RDS 4791,also Kodak SO-331 (discontinued?).
Furthermore, I did just check and found Copex Rapid was discontinued on B&H. I had just bought 2 rolls 1 month ago. I thought it wasn't rare because it seemed so readily available there. Huh. I might end up with excess developer.
Well this brings up something else: what does "pictorial halftone photography" mean compared to "continuous tone"?
The SPUR developer seems very similar in its goals to ADOTECH, mainly regarding lowering the large contrast and keeping the sharpness.
I figured Adox and SPUR were among a few companies who'd wanted to exploit microfilms for pictorial purposes. How else do they differ then?
And I know ADOTECH is quite unique because many of the threads where people have tried using alternative developers (i.e. POTA) for microfilms, they still get too much contrast. So ADOTECH and SPUR's developers seem to be particularly well-formulated for it.
With the exception of SPUR's being for a less fine-grained microfilm.
Ok ok! I ordered some SL-N for the CoRa and some CMS 20 for my ADOTECH. Now they'll all be happy married! Should I shoot each at their rated speed?
Isn't Copex Rapid one of the "Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan" varieties of aerial film?
Wasn't CMS 20 "Aviphot 20" and Copex Rapid "Aviphot 80" rated at 50?
I've seen discussions on the forum about which of many films Rollei and others offer simply being one of them. Have they just been discontinuing all of them lately?
Well this brings up something else: what does "pictorial halftone photography" mean compared to "continuous tone"?
Yep, I'm sadly aware (hence this thread)@Crysist, Adox has discontinued CMS 20 II. I believe you can still order some from fotoimpex, while supplies last.
In regards to POTA, which I have used over the years, and with CMS 20 II, it gives excellent results, coming close to what Adotech IV can do. Adotech IV is still the number one developer for CMS 20 II. I always expose it at EI 12.
Same :CYeah, that sucked, it was only $6 per roll too. I would have definitely been a repeat customer.
I guess Fuji HR-21 is still an option, boasting similar specs to CMS 20 II, but it lacks perforations. I wonder how Kodak 2238 would do, though.There seems to be at least 3 types of low ISO non-traditional films still of limited availability.
Microfilms for copying documents (Agfa, production discontinued) - CMS20 II and Agfa Copex Rapid.
Aerial surveillance films (Agfa and others, still in production) Aviphot 80 and derivatives.
Films for archiving movies (Kodak, Fuji, still in production) eg Kodak 2238, Fuji Eterna RDS 4791,also Kodak SO-331 (discontinued?).
Halftone is referring to the same thing? Being able to represent intermediate shades? I thought it meant it would specifically represent it in a halftone-like pattern, as opposed to having a smooth gradient. Those terms seemed to oppose each other when talking about printing, with "halftoning" being a compromising step because of the lack of any mid-tone inks.That are just different expressions for the same subject: A film (or film-developer combination) that delivers a full tonal scale from deep black, over all grey tones in-between to a bright white.
So if you photograph whith such a film e.g. a 20-step stepwedge, you will get full black, all grey tones from very dark to very bright grey, and full bright white.
And the optimal case is that this film renders these 20 steps exactly like the original, with the same brightness difference between the steps like the original.
In general it is the same technology behind it. It is just that SPUR Dokuspeed SL-N is optimized for Agfa Copex Rapid / SPUR DSX, and ADOTECH IV is optimized for ADOX CMS 20 II.
Oh, that's fascinating! The technologies these companies have pioneered have been so cool, especially now having learned so much more about SPUR (and gigabitfilm) in this thread! That's part of the reason why the announcement was upsetting because I didn't want this fantastic work to fade awayThere are no differences in the general targets. And both companies are cooperating.
POTA was apparently developed to capture a range of exposures that'd occur during a nuclear test. There's another formula people use that's apparently better but Adotech seems to stand at another level. On that note, have you experimented with any other uses for them? Seeing as I may have an excess very soon, I wonder what other case would be fun to try.They are indeed. Decades of R&D lead to these developers.
Is that film also produced by AGFA or MACO and being discontinued soon too?SPUR is also offering a dedicated developer (Nanotech UR) for their lower speed Ultra R 800 ultra-high resolution microfilm.
I've gravitated towards this very quickly when shooting negative film. With the addition of all the juicy language used for the results of rating film slower (thick, dense, fat, beefy, etc) and avoiding the muddiness with underexposing, I only see benefits. Or at least punching things up by developing longer seems good too. Anything to avoid underexposure for what the film is rated. Can you push these developers as well?Personally I care for an optimal characteristic curve / tonality with sufficient shadow detail, therefore I am using CoRa / Dokuspeed SL at E.I. 25/15°, and CMS 20 II / ADOTECH IV with E.I 3/6° to 6/9° when I am working with a tripod, and E.I. 12/12° handheld (often with a manually reduced fill-in flash).
No! It has absolutely nothing to do with their Aviphot Pan line. Completely different films. Agfa Copex Rapid is a microfilm.
The Agfa Aviphot Pan films are all super-panchromatic with extended red sensitivity (red is recorded brighter). And the Agfa microfilms are ortho-panchromatic with less red sensitivity (red is recorded darker compared to normal panchromatic films).
The characteristic curves are also very different, and the resolution as well.
Sorry about that, I must have misremembered some of the conjecture I saw on here about the Aviphot films!No, no, no!!
See explanation above.
Fingers crossed! I saw a comparison between a large format B&W photo from an aerial survey and later systems and it was funny how drastic the difference was. Of course, large format would do that anyway, but B&W can resolve better more easily. Oh, hey! "Wild", the company Bertele from Zeiss worked for and made that super special Biogon predecessor for! (I love this article)Agfa has stopped the production of microfilms, which were produced for Imagelink.
The production of aerial films has not stopped (at least so far).
I see. But it's not referring to anything different from any other films, right? Not to differentiate it from other films' HD curves' in any way?In the graphic arts/commercial printing world, one used halftone techniques to create apparent continuous tone images when using printing technologies with monochrome or tri-colour ink.
If you see the phrase "pictorial halftone photography", the user of the phrase is at least associated with the printing or publishing world.
I see. But it's not referring to anything different from any other films, right? Not to differentiate it from other films' HD curves' in any way?
Some of the film and developer combinations do that better than others.
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