New Cinestill 400D film announced

[MattKing]

After reading Moose22's last post, I have a sudden craving for film with fresh tomatoes, feta cheese and anchovies on it.
Can anyone figure out why?

 

[Ivo Stunga]

But, I would suggest you actually eat a pizza before you review it's flavor. Watching someone else eat a pizza and gauging their reaction is decidedly not the same. Nor is just getting a bite of someone's leftovers. You should try it yourself, eat it fresh, and eat it the way YOU like to eat a pizza.

THIS! And beautifully written!
Opinion without subjective experience to back it up is plain worthless. An internet noise.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

I told you, this is not personal. You're a good dude, and I like hearing your opinions. I want you to keep sharing them with me.

But, I would suggest you actually eat a pizza before you review it's flavor. Watching someone else eat a pizza and gauging their reaction is decidedly not the same. Nor is just getting a bite of someone's leftovers. You should try it yourself, eat it fresh, and eat it the way YOU like to eat a pizza. If you like parmigiano or don't, or crushed pepper or no, that all changes it. Maybe you didn't get the best by just taking a bite of someone else's. "I don't like x style pizza" as a general statement is... well, it's only a very general statement.

This is a forum for people who use film, in a thread about a new film release. We're not going to look at the pizza, we're wondering how it actually tastes when we get to take a bite.

More to the point, this is a new pizza cinestill is making. Whether or not you didn't like the instagrammarian's post with 800t, 800t is not the same. Maybe with 800t you are tasting the hawaiian pizza and this new one is a margarita. I'm going to try it with an open mind because of that.

You certainly don't have to use something to express an opinion. But that opinion doesn't contribute as much to the conversation as if we know you have also used it yourself. Especially just "cinestill" in general -- is this 50D or 800T you dislike? Neither of which are the new stock. Or is it just that you dislike movie film all around?

It's really fair warning to anyone else. I've had more than a few expectations based on internet reviews that, frankly, don't match reality. For good and for bad. Nothing's as good as trying it yourself, and random internet shots are not as good as seeing the results from someone whose work you know and whose style you understand.

You're right that I lumped the new Cinestill in with the old. It was the old I was commenting on. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. However, if the new stuff is color corrected like the old stuff, then its contrast and "pop" and saturation gets lost. Now it seems that it's up to the photographer or videographer to color correct it. But it seems many of these people seem to like a drag presentation which I think is blah. Hopefully they handle the new film model differently. I like my pizzas with a little zing. (PS That's why I shoot Velvia 50).

 

[Ivo Stunga]

You might want to re-read that post #50.

You don't have to be musician or a director to know a song or a movie you don't like - all based on subjective preferences, evaluating a final product as a consumer - here you can have your rotten eggs as an observer and know it.
But aren't we a tad deeper in this than a casual listener/viewer?

In contrast - we're creators. We have to think about what will we make differently with this set of eggs: film + developer / paper + developer.
You can be master cook, know the material and work it to perfection, giving your unique flavor to it - all it takes is dedication and hard work. Or you can be a John that fucked up his breakfast again. Or you can do both with this intermediate product you're having a full control over.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

DPR has a review of Cinestill 400D including samples. They state: "As for its visual qualities, CineStill says 400Dynamic is ‘a fine grain film that delivers a soft color palette with natural saturated color and rich, warm skin tones. The film has a wide dynamic range, with a base sensitivity of ISO 400 but can be rated from 200 to 800, and it can be pushed up to 3200.’"
https://www.dpreview.com/news/32261...namic-color-negative-film-in-35mm-120-formats

 

[John Wiegerink]

DPR has a review of Cinestill 400D including samples. They state: "As for its visual qualities, CineStill says 400Dynamic is ‘a fine grain film that delivers a soft color palette with natural saturated color and rich, warm skin tones. The film has a wide dynamic range, with a base sensitivity of ISO 400 but can be rated from 200 to 800, and it can be pushed up to 3200.’"
https://www.dpreview.com/news/32261...namic-color-negative-film-in-35mm-120-formats

I read that review also and came away thinking that 400D, slightly over exposed, might just make a fine "moody-soft" look that goes well with some scenes like a foggy forest floor when the sun is coming up or an overcast harbor full of boats. What I just received via email from CineStill says I can preorder my film now. Well, it shows the film I'd likely get, which is "Big Boss Hassie Pro Pack at a price of $75.00. Is this just a Kickstarter prices or is that what the price will be retail all the time? I'd love to try it in 4X5, but it's just a little rich for my blood. If it is I'll just shoot Kodak Gold 200 and be happy. JohnW

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

I read that review also and came away thinking that 400D, slightly over exposed, might just make a fine "moody-soft" look that goes well with some scenes like a foggy forest floor when the sun is coming up or an overcast harbor full of boats. What I just received via email from CineStill says I can preorder my film now. Well, it shows the film I'd likely get, which is "Big Boss Hassie Pro Pack at a price of $75.00. Is this just a Kickstarter prices or is that what the price will be retail all the time? I'd love to try it in 4X5, but it's just a little rich for my blood. If it is I'll just shoot Kodak Gold 200 and be happy. JohnW

I think the fact it captures so many stops means that it's less contrasty out of the camera. I prefer photos with more "pop". But this could be changed in post if you scan it. Contrast can be added. I assume you can color correct and add contrast when printing chemically as well.

 

[film_man]

I read that review also and came away thinking that 400D, slightly over exposed, might just make a fine "moody-soft" look that goes well with some scenes like a foggy forest floor when the sun is coming up or an overcast harbor full of boats. What I just received via email from CineStill says I can preorder my film now. Well, it shows the film I'd likely get, which is "Big Boss Hassie Pro Pack at a price of $75.00. Is this just a Kickstarter prices or is that what the price will be retail all the time? I'd love to try it in 4X5, but it's just a little rich for my blood. If it is I'll just shoot Kodak Gold 200 and be happy. JohnW

You get 5 rolls of 400D 120 for $75 with that pack, ie $15 a roll, which is the same as their existing 800T on sale in 120. So you are paying the normal price, no early discount/mark-up.

 

[film_man]

Well well, they've hit all the other targets so now they're aiming for 220!

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[MultiFormat Shooter]

Well well, they've hit all the other targets so now they're aiming for 220!

That's great news! I think I will back it. I'd like to think (and show) there is demand for 220.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Uh-oh. Now the price of 220 film backs for RB67 will go up. Good thing I've got one already. Too bad it's a PITA to switch back and forth between 24x70 and 6x7 masks...

 

[runswithsizzers]

Has anyone here had a chance to try the CineStill 400D yet?

I have a roll ready to load next time I get an empty camera. Normally, I would avoid all of those fringe boutique films which are known to often produce weird colors. But I have seen some online examples of CineStill 400D that looked relatively believable colorwise, so I decided to give this one a try. (I will not be trying to print it in a wet darkroom.)

If anyone else has tried it, I'd be curious see your results - and also, to hear your opinion about whether I should start with box speed or maybe give it a little more exposure like I usually do with b&w negative films?

Thank you.

 

[awty]

What's the difference between the D & T versions?
You can get 100' rolls with remjet at reasonable prices.

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

What's the difference between the D & T versions?

D is daylight-balanced, and T is tungsten-light balanced

 

[awty]

D is daylight-balanced, and T is tungsten-light balanced

Yes but what is the difference in looks if you are using for negative film?
Difference between vision3 250d and 200t?

 

[MattKing]

The D version will need to be filtered on camera with tungsten light.
The T version will need to be filtered on camera with daylight.
In each case, filtering reduces the usable speed significantly.
With the correct light source, or filtration, the look should be similar.

 

[awty]

The D version will need to be filtered on camera with tungsten light.
The T version will need to be filtered on camera with daylight.
In each case, filtering reduces the usable speed significantly.
With the correct light source, or filtration, the look should be similar.

Thanks
Ok, so which filter would be best to use in general conditions? Light Orange or 81a for Tungsten film in daylight conditions?
A light blue for Daylight film in artificial lighting?

 

[koraks]

@awty there are specific filters for using daylight film undertungsten and vice versa, as well as dedicated fluorescent filters. I wouldn't bother with a bodged job using orange or blue filters etc; it'll only mess up color balance in an additional way on top of the mismatch you're working with to begin with.
In fact unless you know you'd be working under tungsten exclusively I'd suggest just getting the daylight balanced film.

 

[runswithsizzers]

Thanks
Ok, so which filter would be best to use in general conditions? Light Orange or 81a for Tungsten film in daylight conditions?
A light blue for Daylight film in artificial lighting?

I think those of us who grew up during the period when a lot of ordinary people were shooting snapshots with color negative film, we have seen so many indoor scenes taken with daylight film under tungsten lighting that the excess yellow/orange looks almost normal. So if I were going to err with filtration, I'd probably rather see indoor shots that are a little too warm than to have outdoor shots that are too blue.

 

[MattKing]

When it comes to the question of which filters to use, I'd look for advice from the movie world.

 

[awty]

@awty there are specific filters for using daylight film undertungsten and vice versa, as well as dedicated fluorescent filters. I wouldn't bother with a bodged job using orange or blue filters etc; it'll only mess up color balance in an additional way on top of the mismatch you're working with to begin with.
In fact unless you know you'd be working under tungsten exclusively I'd suggest just getting the daylight balanced film.

Thanks, sounds obvious when you say it out load.

 

[Sonynolta User]

I use an 85b for 3200k (tungsten) film in 5500k daylight

 

[koraks]

So you effectively filter in the opposite direction of what would be common practice? That sounds odd. You do this for an artistic effect?
Brain fart/senior moment/insufficient caffeine intake on Monday morning

 

[brbo]

I think using the 85b filter in daylight with tungsten film is the correct way.

 

[koraks]

Sorry, you're right; I had a brain fart!