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Like a lot of you here, I’ve recently acquired a cosmetically perfect Nikonos V, but with unknown service history and current water tightness.

I’ve decided I’m going to stand on the shoulders of ki_ and catalog all of the o-rings–both user serviceable and the ones that are supposed to be serviced by now non-existent technicians. I’ll take this a little further than ki_ and use the service manual for inventory of ALL o-rings and label the service manual with actual o-ring dimensions for the good of this community.

I’ll then pressure test the “shell” of the camera with the sensitive electronics removed (in case of flooding) using the testing method Nikon recommends in their service manual (attached). It shouldn’t be very hard—just fill a pressure pot with water, submerge the camera in the water, and pressurize the pot with an air compressor to 5kg/cm^2 as Nikon says to do in their service manual. That’s roughly 5 atmospheres, simulating the 165 feet depth specification of the camera. Should be around 70psi.

I suspect there will be some trial and error testing different o-ring sizes before I get it right.

I’ll record the whole thing—disassembly, measuring of o-rings, reassembly, and testing, and put it up on YouTube as (hopefully) a future tutorial since apparently there’s only 2 guys left performing this service.

These o-rings are insanely cheap. Some of them have to be ordered in minimums of 80 for an entire $2.50. When I finally pass the pressure test, I’ll take the remaining 79 of each type of o-ring I have, pack them up into kits, and put them up on eBay for maybe $10-20 each? Far cheaper than we’re able to find NOS kits for the four user serviceable o-rings that are now likely expired. Nitrile has a 15 year shelf life and with the last cameras produced in 2001 and parts only produced for a few years after that, these NOS kits aren’t going to be too reliable.

I hate to go against a manufacturer’s advice to NOT do this myself, and I hate to cut into the livelihoods of the two techs out there still doing this work, but without this open sourced information, when those two techs retire or stop responding to emails, the community will be left with no option but to try and DIY this to keep this gear running.

This project wont deal with the functioning or CLA-ing of the camera system, there are still plenty of analog camera techs in the world that can help with that. This will just focus on the housing and waterproofing.
 

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Great idea, just don’t hate to be against manufacturers advice, Nikon effectively no longer exists.
 

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Cataloging the o-rings is a great idea. I looked into this a while back but never followed through with it, with too many other pending things to do. Best I could do at the time was find this image that may or may not be of the "V."

Looking forward to your results.


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Also, if one has any idea how to get rid off sticky casing. I got one V for parts, but it turned out to be fully working and in excellent condition, except it was kept in a bag in some stinky area for a while and entire casing is sticky. Tried some regular cleaners, but none made any difference. As I am not certain about water tightness, have not yet soaked it in anything.
 
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Also, if one has any idea how to get rid off sticky casing. I git one V for parts, but it turned out to be fully working and in excellent condition, except it was kept in a bag in some stinky area for a while and entire casing is sticky. Tried some regular cleaners, but none made any difference. As I am not certain about water tightness, have not yet soaked it in anything.

Try "Goo Gone" or other citrus oil based cleaner. Some sound-alike products ("Goof-off") are Xylene and best stayed away from (unless your particular sticky stuff only comes off with Xylene).
 

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Try "Goo Gone" or other citrus oil based cleaner. Some sound-alike products ("Goof-off") are Xylene and best stayed away from (unless your particular sticky stuff only comes off with Xylene).

Trouble is there is nothing seemingly stuck to it, more like imbedded itself and became part of the material. From looks it's excellent looking camera, touch it and ... wtf?
 

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Ah, you mean something penetrated the orange plastic 'covers.' If the cover was made of a vinyl compound then all may be lost.

There is an automotive solution that coats the vinyl with a clear coating of some sort. No idea if that would work.
 
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Also, if one has any idea how to get rid off sticky casing. I got one V for parts, but it turned out to be fully working and in excellent condition, except it was kept in a bag in some stinky area for a while and entire casing is sticky. Tried some regular cleaners, but none made any difference. As I am not certain about water tightness, have not yet soaked it in anything.

That’ll happen with plastics sometimes where the polymers just start to break down on a molecular level And they get sticky. I’ve seen it happen on anything from steering wheels to tool handles. Sucks. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen someone overcome it.
 

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Welcome to Photrio!

I too have a Nikonos V and three lenses. I have a great service technician a long drive across town away. I bought three sizes of O rings and the Nikon photographic marine grease on line.
 

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Just noticed this reply on my efforts in finding fitting o rings.
Exactly the same motivation I have: if we don't take it in a DIY level, Nikonis V cameras might soon be unable to maintain, especially, because there are so few in use anymore.
So, I am really happy, that I might have got something rolling here.
I still have two broken Nikonos cameras here: one V and one IV.
If you still need a housing for pressure testing, I would be glad to send them to you. Just send me a private message or contact me via my blog.
I tried to find someone pressure testing my Niks but so far got no responses, so this would be greatly appreciated.
Just one more point: I successfully replaced the film chamber doors seal of the Nikonis IV-A with a standard o-ring with the following dimensions: 120 x 3 N70. I think it would be great to get this confirmed, because the Nik IV, in my opinion is a heavily oversight camera, and the custom dooor seal a huge obstacle for maintaining them.
 

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Just noticed this reply on my efforts in finding fitting o rings.
Exactly the same motivation I have: if we don't take it in a DIY level, Nikonis V cameras might soon be unable to maintain, especially, because there are so few in use anymore.
So, I am really happy, that I might have got something rolling here.
I still have two broken Nikonos cameras here: one V and one IV.
If you still need a housing for pressure testing, I would be glad to send them to you. Just send me a private message or contact me via my blog.
I tried to find someone pressure testing my Niks but so far got no responses, so this would be greatly appreciated.
Just one more point: I successfully replaced the film chamber doors seal of the Nikonis IV-A with a standard o-ring with the following dimensions: 120 x 3 N70. I think it would be great to get this confirmed, because the Nik IV, in my opinion is a heavily oversight camera, and the custom dooor seal a huge obstacle for maintaining them.

My apologies if I read this wrong, do you have a housing for pressure testing or are your offering the broken cameras for testing in a housing?

I just got my V from Ebay the other day. And I am trying to locate grease and O-rings to keep on hand, but also want to pressure test it. I found a scuba shop that can do it, but they said it has to be dropped off and not sure if it will fit in the chamber. I’m going to measure it and call them with a dimensions and ask them if I can mail it to them. It’s about two hours away. And costs $40
 

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Welcome to Photrio!

I too have a Nikonos V and three lenses. I have a great service technician a long drive across town away. I bought three sizes of O rings and the Nikon photographic marine grease on line.

Do you mind sharing your service technician? And also where you bought the O rings and photographic marine grease? If you prefer to private message that works for me. Thanks!
 

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… do you have a housing for pressure testing or are your offering the broken cameras for testing in a housing?
Sorry for being unclear. I actually mean, that I have two broken cameras which could be used for pressure testing.

But if pressure testing is made correctly, a working camera would not brake during the test, even if there's a leakage.

They pressurize the camera in air and submerge it afterwards. Then reduce pressure and look for air escaping the camera.
 

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I search for the Nikonos Grease made by Nikon.

Any marine silicone grease will do the job. Just go to a dive shop and ask for silicone grease for greasing o-rings.
The grease does only lube the o-ring, so that it does not get damaged from the friction during assembly.
When screwing in the tubes of a breathing regulator you have to lube the o-rings with silicone grease as well. Here not only the life of a replaceable camera depends on the functioning o-ring but the divers very own life. And still you don't use some magic grease, but just plain silicone oil. 😊
 

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Sorry for being unclear. I actually mean, that I have two broken cameras which could be used for pressure testing.

But if pressure testing is made correctly, a working camera would not brake during the test, even if there's a leakage.

They pressurize the camera in air and submerge it afterwards. Then reduce pressure and look for air escaping the camera.

Ok, no worries. Got it, Thanks!
 

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Any marine silicone grease will do the job. Just go to a dive shop and ask for silicone grease for greasing o-rings.
The grease does only lube the o-ring, so that it does not get damaged from the friction during assembly.
When screwing in the tubes of a breathing regulator you have to lube the o-rings with silicone grease as well. Here not only the life of a replaceable camera depends on the functioning o-ring but the divers very own life. And still you don't use some magic grease, but just plain silicone oil. 😊

Cool, thanks!
 

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Alternatively, high-quality O-ring silicone grease is readily available at any plumbing supplier.
 

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I'm very interested in this project as well. I recently purchased one and love it on land but when I saw the foam inside the back panel guarding the electronics realized that it might have been longer than advertised since the last maintenance.
I came across an article with measurements of the o-ring sizes as someone was trying to figure it out. There wasn't really a follow up blog post with pressure testing like they mentioned should be next, so it needs that step as well.
Servicing lenses as well might be challenging, I haven't really seen anything detailing how to service them.
Maybe this will help
https://wp.ki-online.net/internal-o-ring-replacement-for-nikonos-v/

Edit: Oh it seems like that might be the blog of Ki_that commented in this thread. Oh cool
 
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I'm very interested in this project as well. I recently purchased one and love it on land but when I saw the foam inside the back panel guarding the electronics realized that it might have been longer than advertised since the last maintenance.
I came across an article with measurements of the o-ring sizes as someone was trying to figure it out. There wasn't really a follow up blog post with pressure testing like they mentioned should be next, so it needs that step as well.
Servicing lenses as well might be challenging, I haven't really seen anything detailing how to service them.
Maybe this will help
https://wp.ki-online.net/internal-o-ring-replacement-for-nikonos-v/

Edit: Oh it seems like that might be the blog of Ki_that commented in this thread. Oh cool

Welcome to Photrio!
 

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Welcome to Photrio!

Thank you! I joined because I'm very interested in learning everything I can about how to use the Nikonos V. I've been shooting film for a little while and referencing threads on here for advice but this camera is more durable, in a variety of settings, than the nikkormat ftn I normally use.
Does anyone know the size o ring for those knobs?
I read something written by a former tech in a forum about the lenses not usually requiring yearly maintenance unless the front o-ring is damaged. It would be nice to document those sizes as well
 
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