Excellent! I have only played with it...tannic acid and ammonia was the combo I used years ago...experimenting going back and forth for different effects. Might return to it someday and this will be of some help!
I think I beached first in ammonia and brought back the image in the tannic acid, or I had to return to the ammonia again after the tannic acid. Very unscientific, I'm afraid!
Thanks!Very nice! Thanks for the well written explanation too!
Thanks Professor for the succinct presentation of this systematic study on cyanotype toning - just in time as I was getting ready to embark on it myself soon.
I will probably will have more questions later as I get involved in this first-hand, but one comes to mind immediately. Most what I have read the process always starts with the alkaline bleach, which is then followed by the polyphenol treatment. What made you to go the other way around?
:Niranjan.
Thanks!Very interesting. Need to read in detail when better able to concentrate!
No need for the formality of "Professor"... "Frank" works just fine!
Hopefully you will find this procedure to you liking. Of course, I will attempt to answer any questions you have .
Regarding for the question of order... As I said in my reply to Vaughn, I suspect that the bleaching step is the cause of variability in the typical procedure. There were a few hints in the "literature" which made me suspect that the order was unimportant... so I just decided to do the experiment and see what happened.
This is one of the advantages of bringing a scientific bent to photography (or art in general). I made a career of doing experiments.... at least when I wasn't teaching or writing grants or papers! Thus, as a friend recently commented, I have no fear of experimentation!!! ;-)
Thanks, Frank for the explanation. I can empathize with an experimentalist - I was one myself at one time, though in an industrial setting not an academic one. I have to be careful though in dealing with alternative processes, at times (more often than not) the experimental/scientific self gets better of the creative me....in the end there is nothing to show.
I am going to order up some of these acids....where did you source your tannic acid? There seems to many different ones, I am not sure what the differences are.
:Niranjan.
I am going to order up some of these acids....where did you source your tannic acid? There seems to many different ones, I am not sure what the differences are.
:Niranjan.
I get my tannic acid from a DIY wine shop just down the road from me...
Apparently wine tannin is also more easily soluble in water unlike tannic acid which tends to form muddy suspension or so I have heard.
In my limited experience, it is the other way around. The tannic acid I have makes a nice clear yellow/tan solution. The wine tannins made a murky brown liquid (solution or suspension, I did not investigate)... think really, really strong muddy coffee!
Tannic acid from Artchem should be just fine in my estimation.
In my limited experience the "tannic acid" sold for wine making is NOT suitable for the process I describe.
I put tannic acid in quotes in the previous sentence because as far as I can tell the material sold for wine making is more properly called tannins. It is a complex mixture of compounds one of which is tannic acid is one component.
Lured by the low price of wine tannins, I purchased some and did one or two experiments using it.
Wine tannins do indeed tone cyanotype, but the result is much more akin to toning with tea or coffee that it is to the result which I describe. In my hands, even at very low concentrations, there was heavy staining of the highlights in addition to a change in the tone of the pigment. The resulting toned print was very low in contrast and very unappealing to my eye.
I am looking to tone my first cyanotypes shortly and my plan was to use these "mixed tannins" intended for toning wood and leather, and allegedly 75% tannic acid content: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008A9MFHY
Though perhaps based on the commentary above, this product may not be suitable. I'll give it a go and report back if I get acceptable results!
I use it all the time and it works. No, it is not the same as toning with tea or coffee. I bleach out the image first with washing soda, then bring it back with tannic acid... from the wine store. It works.
Here is a 14x17 print I made on Hahnemuhle PR last summer:
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In my limited experience, it is the other way around. The tannic acid I have makes a nice clear yellow/tan solution. The wine tannins made a murky brown liquid (solution or suspension, I did not investigate)... think really, really strong muddy coffee!
Tannic acid from Artchem should be just fine in my estimation.
I'm surely going to experiment toning cyanotypes with extracts of "weird" things like pepper... We'll see what happens.
I really wanna try out curcumin.-
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