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Klaus Wehner

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Thank you for the quick reply.

We agree that it is about a compromise.

My compromise is as follows.

But a few important facts first.

1.a black and white slide needs a much higher contrast than a colour slide (the black and white slide lacks the colour contrast. This must be compensated by a high brightness contrast).
2. a high contrast favours the impression of sharpness.
3. a high contrast favours the representation of fine, low-contrast structures in the slide (example: fine texture in tissue, on stones and leaves, the skin ... This allows a slide to show more detail and convey more information).

For these reasons, a high contrast is essential for a black and white slide.

Figure 2.9 shows approximately the densities and contrast that I consider optimal for black and white slides.
You complain that with the high densities there is a loss of contrast in the projection.
I find that a pity too!

But let's examine together how great this loss really is in practice.

The following zones are affected by the loss of density: Zone I (strong loss) Zone II (moderate loss), Zone III (low loss).
According to the definition of the zones, zones I and zone II do not transport any (very little) information at all, as they no longer have any drawing. Consequently, the loss of density has no effect on the information content of the slides.

If you look at many black and white slides, you will find that many slides do not have any relevant zone I and zone II content at all. So for many slides, the compression of the high densities is without any relevance.

Summary: If the black and white slides have a maximum density of about 4.00, there is a loss of density in zones I and II (III) due to stray light. Only a smal part of the slides are affected by the loss of density at all and the loss of density does not lead to a loss of information.

It remains to be investigated what effect a low contrast of black and white slides has.
I will do that later.

Kind regards
Klaus
 
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The following zones are affected by the loss of density: Zone I (strong loss) Zone II (moderate loss), Zone III (low loss).
According to the definition of the zones, zones I and zone II do not transport any (very little) information at all, as they no longer have any drawing. Consequently, the loss of density has no effect on the information content of the slides.

It would help if you can tell what is the density placement of Zones I, II, III, IV and V in your slide of DMax 4.0.
 
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The last development of a FP-4 I made on 14.07.2021.

The sensitometry clip had the following gross densities:
Zone VII.5: 0.35
Zone V: 1.12
Zone II,5: 3,46
D.max: 4.10

You've shared some data previously but I will wait to know Zone III and Zone IV densities from you.
 

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Thanks again for the important reference to the literature.

The densities I achieve roughly correspond to the curve in the cited literature. I would have to interpolate the densities for zones III and IV. But one can also orientate oneself approximately on the curve of the cited Figure 2.9.

With some slides (not all) there will be a compression of the high densities I and II (III) during projection due to stray light.
Figure 2.9 shows the effect.

Here there is a need to optimise the projection conditions. There are a few ways to do this (projector, projection lens, screen...). Especially with the screen I see an underestimated potential. Here there are special screens that have a narrow angle of reflection. This would also minimise stray light.

Thank you and best regards
Klaus
 
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I didn't want to myself interpolate Zone 3 and Zone 4 densities from the data you shared, but if they fall in the range 2.3 log D .. 3.5 log D, then there is very little separation between these zones in the projection assuming flare of 0.5%. This might or might not be acceptable.

It is possible to get better separation in the projection by keeping the flare to the minimum level physically feasible. Maybe home projection systems can do far better than industry standard movie projection systems in minimizing flare and may be the assumption of 0.5% flare is too high for a home environment. However, flare can be measured in the viewing environment and the method I gave in an earlier post should help one in evaluating the effect of flare on the projection quantitatively.
 
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