Processing 40-year old Ilford FP3

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fotomik

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Hello.

My boss just brought me a roll of approx. 40 years old Ilford FP3, in 120-format.
And told me to develop it. It's been shot in the 60's sometime.

HELP!

I have no idea where to begin. Process with what, and for how long?

He insists that there still might be something on the film, since it might be so silver-rich, that film.
Anxiously waiting for the smart people to read this, since I'm in waaay over my head here.
 
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Dear Fotomik,

I would be inclined to do a clip test, process the first 6" of film and see what you get. My suggestion is 10 mins in ID11 or D76 : Then you can see whether you have to adjust development time ( or not ).

You will have base fog for sure, but we have seen on numerous occasions that a printable neg can be obtained, it really depends on how it has been stored. Needless to say handle with great care, do not overwash, and dry it slowly.

Good luck...let us know if you get anything

Simon : ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
 

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Donald Qualls is the man to ask. He gave me some great advice for developing a roll of Agfa 120 circa 1956.
I will try to find my information and pass it along to you.

Mike
 
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Okay. Unfortunately a clip test is not feasible, as there are only four shots on the film...

So it seems I'll go along with Simon and guesstimate.
How much washing would overwashing be? The Ilford method (5-10-20 inversions) or less?

Will let you know, this is actually kind of exciting.
 

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I have used some 40 year old HP4, but my problem was slightly different. My film was unexposed and I tried it out for fun.

The emulsion was quite foggy, but it was even fog so the images were still printable. Effective film speed was down a bit, but it still worked ok.

I can think of three problems here.

First the film is foggy so you will want to try and minimise that by picking a suitable developer. ID-11 / D76 and fine grain developers can encourage fog as can push processing ones.

Second the gelatin may have degraded or got mould in it. In this case processing the film can remove all the gelatin and send it down the sink (with the images!) leaving you with a clear blank film (yep, been there, done that!).
Both extremes and changes in pH and temperature forces the emulsion to expand and contract, helping it escape.

Thirdly the latent images may have disappeared, since he has stretched the advice of 'process the film as quickly as possible after exposure' a bit! :tongue:
At the very least any effective film speed and development times will be pretty meaningless now.

I have heard of people using desensitisation dye and developing by safelight for ancient films that might have valuable stuff on them - but it is a professionals job.

Well this is where the fun starts!

If it was me I might use Kodak D25 because the pH is near neutral and this is less likely to take the emulsion off. I'd then use pure water as a stop bath (acid stop baths will stress the gelatine again) and then maybe a simple hypo fixer, keeping everything at a nice steady 20 degrees C.

But the next person to answer your post will probably say "No! Rubbish! That is the wrong approach, you need a developer that is well restrained to control the fog!" :wink:

They might be right, too. My old HP4 had no problems in the gelatine department so maybe that isn't the issue (depends how the film has been stored) but was foggy.

I actually used Kodak DK50 with my later rolls of HP4 for this reason. It is a squeaky clean low fog developer. It helped a bit. But I had the luxury of more than one film, so I knew the gelatine was ok. Fog, under / overexposure / thin images you can maybe do something about after processing. If the emulsion goes down the sink, you can't do much!

I'm sure there will be many other suggestion, too :wink:

From my ancient Ilford manuals I can tell you FP3 was made from 1946 to 1968, was rated at 125 ASA and the quoted development time in D76 / ID-11 was 7 1/2 minutes for 120 roll film. Not sure that will still be accurate after 40 years! :D It might give you a starting point, though.

Let me know how you get on, because someone has given me a box camera from before WW2 and it still has the orthochromatic roll film in it, so I will be having another go myself, soon!

Steve
 

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How do you know there a 4 frames on it...............?

Simon.

My guess is that the camera was on frame 5 and they just wasted the rest of the roll.
 

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Another tip, something I've tried in the past, is to remove the roll from the stopbath but before fixing. You can take it out and look at it at this stage. Silver halides will > to silver under light, but very slowly (like a contact printing emulsion) so under tungsten room light for a short while it will be fine. You can look to see if you have an image. If not - no need to wate time or fixer. If you have, maybe get the scissors out and snip off the blank section. You can then fix, wash and dry this. If all is well, you know to fix, wash and dry the exposed frames. If it shows signs of frilling or other trouble, you know to be careful.

HTH
 

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This might help:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

I only add the suggestion of NOT using an acid stop bath, as it tended to blister the emulsion and leave holes; either that or remove the mold/fungus that was growing there and leave a hole -- I don't know...
 
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fotomik

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Okay then, here goes nothing.
ID-11, 7 minutes, stop, check to see if anything visible, if not, 3 more minutes dev. 5 minutes Ilford Rapid Fix, quick wash with the Ilford Method, Ilfotol, dry.

Report in about an hour.
Thanks for your help, which was abundant, detailed, professional, and largely ignored by me. :D
 
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A Lab For Old Films

Hello.

My boss just brought me a roll of approx. 40 years old Ilford FP3, in 120-format.
And told me to develop it. It's been shot in the 60's sometime.

HELP!

I have no idea where to begin. Process with what, and for how long?

He insists that there still might be something on the film, since it might be so silver-rich, that film.
Anxiously waiting for the smart people to read this, since I'm in waaay over my head here.

For future reference since you have probably processed this film:http://www.rockymountainfilm.com/
This lab only processes and prints old films. Barry Dale
 
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