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Probably I'm not representative, but I wouldn't buy much of 220 . When it was available decades ago, I would buy 220 for very specific situations. If I needed a lot of frames, like on sports or an event, I would use 35mm. 120 wasn't practical because the additional steps you needed. I needed to be more careful with focus since medium format has a shallower DOF for example.

I know for sure 220 was really useful for strictly controlled situations, like fashion or commercial products sessions (my father shooted food and other stuff for publicity and used 220 a lot), since subject tended to stay on one place and light was more controlled. For action photography 35mm was more practical. Today, I think digital fill that market.

I have rolled hundreds of 120 rolls but none 220 (even though I have about 10 cameras that can use it) because its not practical for me.

Like I said, probably not representative.

Getting to shoot 220 with my 6x9 is lovely change of speed with that format since I am typically very deliberate knowing I only have 8 frames. But it does makes sense that 220 would be very useful for professionals.
 

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Every person I have talked to with a MF pano camera has told me that they want 220, lol.
 
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I think one of the big hurtles for 220 is that the sellers right now charge twice as much. Reflx Labs still gets a lot of flak for actually changing MORE for 220.
Looking at their current prices, 220 Aerocolor is a little less than double their 120 offering of the same(12.99 vs. 24.99). They are competitive with Catlabs, which is the other source of 120 Aerocolor I know of($12.90), and between the two I'd rather support Reflx.

Their Vision offerings are a little bit harder of a sell for me, especially considering that it all looks expensive compared to even a 65mm bulk reseller like Mercury. From their pictures, it also looks like they slit down bothsides to leave a "sawtooth" edge on both? My personal preference is to leave perfs completely intact on one side and cut the other smooth or mostly smooth, which I've done post-processing for scanning(never before rolling, especially since my cameras need the full 65mm...) but I know there are arguments for doing it different ways.
 
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I would simply chalk that up to good ol colonial influence. Nothing more nothing less

For some strange reason, left-handed drive seems to be frequented to islands. Great Britain, St. Thomas (US Virgin Islands), Japan
 

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it also looks like they slit down bothsides to leave a "sawtooth" edge on both? My personal preference is to leave perfs completely intact on one side and cut the other smooth or mostly smooth, which I've done post-processing for scanning(never before rolling, especially since my cameras need the full 65mm...) but I know there are arguments for doing it different ways.
In regards to this, 65mm perfs are located about 4mm from the edge of the film as opposed to 70mm type 2 which are 2mm from the edge. While cutting off 5mm on each side of 70mm will cause the perfs to leave a ragged edge, cutting 2mm off each side of 65mm leaves the perfs intact. Cutting off just one edge will leave a ragged edge as the perfs will be cut through. This also means 65mm is a royal pain to cut as it is much more finicky to pull through the slitter since the blades are so close to the edge.

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Getting to shoot 220 with my 6x9 is lovely change of speed with that format since I am typically very deliberate knowing I only have 8 frames. But it does makes sense that 220 would be very useful for professionals.

umm probably that would be ok. I use a lot of 6x9 on my Mamiya Press and Horseman. Since it is only 16 exp it may work. Will roll some 220 from Aviphot and see how I like it :smile:
 

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For some strange reason, left-handed drive seems to be frequented to islands. Great Britain, St. Thomas (US Virgin Islands), Japan

Probably because islands don't have roads that connect to other countries, except when there are really big bridges.
Although I would suggest that India - the most populous country in the world - is certainly not an Island.
British Columbia was originally left hand drive, but visitors and truckers from the USA were incapable of dealing with change, so we switched :smile:.
Some cars are actually designed for easy switch during manufacturing, thus being suitable for both markets. The Toyota Yaris is/was an example.
For years the city of Victoria, BC had a major intersection that used a roundabout to control traffic flow. That was a remnant from the days when there was a huge British influence on the city. They took it out and replaced it with traffic lights, because US tourists driving RVs kept getting stuck in it!
Since then, roundabouts have become more common in many areas, so they are appearing again.
So much depends on what you are used to. Which in turn relates well to what us film photographers like to do.
 
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Probably because islands don't have roads that connect to other countries, except when there are really big bridges.
Although I would suggest that India - the most populous country in the world - is certainly not an Island.
British Columbia was originally left hand drive
, but visitors and truckers from the USA were incapable of dealing with change, so we switched :smile:.
Some cars are actually designed for easy switch during manufacturing, thus being suitable for both markets. The Toyota Yaris is/was an example.
For years the city of Victoria, BC had a major intersection that used a roundabout to control traffic flow. That was a remnant from the days when there was a huge British influence on the city. They took it out and replaced it with traffic lights, because US tourists driving RVs kept getting stuck in it!
Since then, roundabouts have become more common in many areas, so they are appearing again.
So much depends on what you are used to. Which in turn relates well to what us film photographers like to do.
The left-handed road-driving British ran India and British Columbia was, well, British. Maybe that had something to do with it. :smile:
 

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The left-handed road-driving British ran India and British Columbia was, well, British. Maybe that had something to do with it. :smile:

So was the USA - before it was the USA.
I wonder which side of the road the horse carts were on when what became the USA was still a colony?
 

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So was the USA - before it was the USA.
I wonder which side of the road the horse carts were on when what became the USA was still a colony?
Iirc India only got its independence in the 40’s, I think. And BC was practically British until the late 1800s? Not so brushed up on Canadian history. Point is, US was independent for way longer than those 2.

Also, FWIW, it seems like the US has driven on the right even before independence. We drove on the right back then because a lot of the US was agricultural, and large wagons used for farming were easier to drive on the right.
 
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In Ireland, we officialy, drive on the left. But sometimes the road is too narrow so we drive in the middle.


dual carriageway in rural ireland.jpg
Sometimes called locally, An Irish dual carriageway! 🤣
 

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A little bit of internet wandering leads to all sorts of theories, including things like before there were motor vehicles in England, walkers tended to keep to the left, and horses kept to the right, and when motor vehicles came into prominence, they were given the same prominence as walkers, rather than that which was enjoyed by the horse riders.
And apparently France did the opposite, because it was Napoleon that mandated standardization, and he was left handed.
All similar to how many things became "standard" in the world of photography - through happenstance.
 

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Or in photographic terms, most of the world looks through a viewfinder with their right eye…
 
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Some cars are actually designed for easy switch during manufacturing, thus being suitable for both markets. The Toyota Yaris is/was an example.

There’s a whole side study in that too in that for vehicles sold in both markets, some design features still tend to reflect left hand drive. A prime example are hood releases, which sometimes are still on the left side even on RHD cars.

I’ve had two 1970s British cars, and still have one. The one I still have is a 1970 MGB. It’s an interesting one in that roughly 90% of MGBs made(of 500K total production) were sold in the US market. It feels like a car designed as left hand drive. The home market cars very much feel like cars designed as right hand drive, though. Home market also got to keep a lot of things that were legislated away in the US, including managing to keep dual carbs and a brake booster(there are other reasons why the US lost dual carbs, but they also don’t play nicely with a booster on the left pedal box). The only major US change that also affected home market was the 1974.5 switch to rubber bumpers.

The other one I had-for about a year-was a 1974 Austin Marina, something that some may laugh at. There were not many US spec ones made, and it was a bit of a half baked attempt. When I had it delivered, the delivery drivers were looking everywhere for the hood release and were quite surprised when I opened the right(passenger) door and found it. The ignition switch was on the left of the steering column. There was a really strange set up with plugs in the cowl for the UK market windshield wipers and what looked like hand drilled holes for the US position. It was a fun car to own and I sort of wish I still had it.
 
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Iirc India only got its independence in the 40’s, I think. And BC was practically British until the late 1800s? Not so brushed up on Canadian history. Point is, US was independent for way longer than those 2.

Also, FWIW, it seems like the US has driven on the right even before independence. We drove on the right back then because a lot of the US was agricultural, and large wagons used for farming were easier to drive on the right.

Why is that?
 
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RHD vehicles, driving on the left and passing oncoming traffic on the right comes from the practice of armed knights and samurai on horseback carrying their swords on the left of their belts, (a) to avoid clanging into each other's steel when passing in close proximity and (b) so right handers could attack each other with their dominant arms.

That's not the whole truth*, but it's the story I'm sticking to anyway, as it means RHDers are modern day warriors (sing it with me now, "on a steel horse I riiiiiide!") and the rest of the world, therefore, isn't...

With love from Australia... ;-)

(* A succinct rundown on the generally accepted truths if you're interested https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/...n-the-right-side-of-the-road-drive-flashback/)
 

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In regards to this, 65mm perfs are located about 4mm from the edge of the film as opposed to 70mm type 2 which are 2mm from the edge. While cutting off 5mm on each side of 70mm will cause the perfs to leave a ragged edge, cutting 2mm off each side of 65mm leaves the perfs intact. Cutting off just one edge will leave a ragged edge as the perfs will be cut through. This also means 65mm is a royal pain to cut as it is much more finicky to pull through the slitter since the blades are so close to the edge.

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It's time to open a nice box of 1000ft 65mm film. But this film is much thicker than the standard 70mm Agfa or Kodak aerial film. I imagine that cutting will be much more difficult. How do you proceed? Do you cut each 120 film separately with the cutter, or do you cut long pieces and then make them 825mm? Which is more convenient?
 
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RHD vehicles, driving on the left and passing oncoming traffic on the right comes from the practice of armed knights and samurai on horseback carrying their swords on the left of their belts, (a) to avoid clanging into each other's steel when passing in close proximity and (b) so right handers could attack each other with their dominant arms.

That's not the whole truth*, but it's the story I'm sticking to anyway, as it means RHDers are modern day warriors (sing it with me now, "on a steel horse I riiiiiide!") and the rest of the world, therefore, isn't...

With love from Australia... ;-)

(* A succinct rundown on the generally accepted truths if you're interested https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/...n-the-right-side-of-the-road-drive-flashback/)

The story I was told by an expat from the UK some years ago was that when travelling down a narrow lane, probably well forested, the custom was to travel on the left side, so as one would have their sword arm free. Which is pretty much what is stated above!
 

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Yet I doubt many people travelling the roads in old Britannia had swords. So it sounds like a convenient fabrication.

The fact is, when you need to choose one or the other and have no good reason for choosing either, you'll end up choosing one for no good reason. Once chosen, though, you need to stick with it.
 

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Yet I doubt many people travelling the roads in old Britannia had swords. So it sounds like a convenient fabrication.

The fact is, when you need to choose one or the other and have no good reason for choosing either, you'll end up choosing one for no good reason. Once chosen, though, you need to stick with it.

Except in BC:
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/history/british-columbia-right-side-driving-change-1922-3227966
If the internet had existed back then, I'm sure it would have been full of people who disagreed about the change.
 

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It's time to open a nice box of 1000ft 65mm film. But this film is much thicker than the standard 70mm Agfa or Kodak aerial film. I imagine that cutting will be much more difficult. How do you proceed? Do you cut each 120 film separately with the cutter, or do you cut long pieces and then make them 825mm? Which is more convenient?
Wow you got 1000 ft of 65mm film? Jelly…
I’d recommend cutting it to length before slitting for that much film. 100 ft is manageable, barely, 1000 ft? Not so much.

Except in BC:
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/history/british-columbia-right-side-driving-change-1922-3227966
If the internet had existed back then, I'm sure it would have been full of people who disagreed about the change.
And Sweden!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

Actually they did it way late, 1967!
 
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