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Hi, ic-racer,

This thread has piqued my interest in this camera and now I'm seriously considering getting one. I'm in the same boat in terms of living frugally for decades.

Somewhere I got the impression that dhw was selling inventory that's from 2012 or 2014 and that, if they go under, there will be no warranty service and possibly no spare parts. You seem to be confident that the inventory is new and that the company is going to be around for a while. They seem to be out of stock on several lenses/accessories and don't have listings for others (645 back, prisms, etc) which makes me concerned about future availability of those items. Have you found out anything since your purchase that you wish you knew before buying?

I'm just trying to assess the level of risk there is in buying one of these. This seems like the only option there is for buying a new MF film camera and it looks like a great camera, but I'm worried about surprises...

I can speak from some experience here. I've ordered new accessories and have had a small repair job done at the factory. They're making new ones for sure, in fact the price just went up on them. I would guess they're making a very small number of these, essentially to order. My dealer has told me they're more popular in Russia and China.

No one can tell you the future of the Hy6 system. However I have found mine to be reliable and trustworthy. I have also found the factory to be fast with the repair I had done. (My 80 AFD was purchased used and the AF system needed to be worked on).

The last thing I'll say is that unless you absolutely need the fabulous AF of the Hy6, the 6008AF will give you the same metering and IQ performance for a much lower price.
 

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I can speak from some experience here. I've ordered new accessories and have had a small repair job done at the factory. They're making new ones for sure, in fact the price just went up on them. I would guess they're making a very small number of these, essentially to order. My dealer has told me they're more popular in Russia and China.

No one can tell you the future of the Hy6 system. However I have found mine to be reliable and trustworthy. I have also found the factory to be fast with the repair I had done. (My 80 AFD was purchased used and the AF system needed to be worked on).

The last thing I'll say is that unless you absolutely need the fabulous AF of the Hy6, the 6008AF will give you the same metering and IQ performance for a much lower price.

Thanks for the info. I am mainly interested in buying new and was under the impression that the 6008 was no longer in production. I've looked at 6008 cameras on ebay, but have been discouraged from buying used cameras because the condition is often not nearly as good as the seller claims.
 
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Thanks for the info. I am mainly interested in buying new and was under the impression that the 6008 was no longer in production. I've looked at 6008 cameras on ebay, but have been discouraged from buying used cameras because the condition is often not nearly as good as the seller claims.

If you're in the states, I would work with Eric at Rolleiflex (dot) US. He will either sell you a brand new Hy6 Mod 2 kit or advise you on a 2nd hand 6008AF. If Eric says something is in good shape, it is. Can't speak for eBay...I also would hesitate to buy a camera this expensive through eBay.
 
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One thing that pushed me to get the new Hy6 now was this old B&H ad for the same camera Eric sells new. It was more expensive in 2009 than today. Eric is great to work with, communicates great with e-mail.
Also, I don't know what is going on with the market. I like the Hy6 so much I wanted to upgrade my old early 90s 6008i version 1 to 6008AF. But no luck. Eric has a waiting list and e-bay listings are either suspicious or over priced. Sure the Hy6 is nice but the only item interchangeable with the 6000 series is the lenses. I have so many other 6000 series accessories, I still want a 6000 series camera.

For example all these items I have won't work on the Hy6:

120 backs
45 Prism
90 Prism
33’ Electric Release
Short Electric Release
Tripod Quick Mount
Below Camera Hand Grip
SLX S-Planar 120mm/5.6
SLX 40mm Distagon
Film Inserts
Batteries
Strap
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One thing that pushed me to get the new Hy6 now was this old B&H ad for the same camera Eric sells new. It was more expensive in 2009 than today. Eric is great to work with, communicates great with e-mail.
Also, I don't know what is going on with the market. I like the Hy6 so much I wanted to upgrade my old early 90s 6008i version 1 to 6008AF. But no luck. Eric has a waiting list and e-bay listings are either suspicious or over priced. Sure the Hy6 is nice but the only item interchangeable with the 6000 series is the lenses. I have so many other 6000 series accessories, I still want a 6000 series camera.

For example all these items I have won't work on the Hy6:

120 backs
45 Prism
90 Prism
33’ Electric Release
Short Electric Release
Tripod Quick Mount
Below Camera Hand Grip
SLX S-Planar 120mm/5.6
SLX 40mm Distagon
Film Inserts
Batteries
Strap
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I agree Eric is great to work with, but sometimes the factory in Germany can be a bottleneck.

There is no need for a 220 back for the Hy6. The standard 6x6 back will take both 120 and 220--there is a setting on the back, Of course there is no 220 film anyway. I love my Hy6 and the AF on the Mod 2 is superior to the 6008AF from what I've read. Since it is a current production camera, the prices for accessories is steep, but it works great with the 6008 lenses. As far a a below-camera grip, I find it not necessary, the side grip that is part of the Hy6 works great. Batteries are still available and are much less than the 6008 ones and they usually need to be rebuilt anyway. The remote release is very pricey but I have been ale to do without so far. The only issue I have had to date is with the film inserts--I am still waiting for a replacement for the spare I purchased along with the camera. One thing that is missing for me is a window showing the type of film loaded. I have resorted to a piece of tape with the film type written on it that I stick to the grip.

I do have a spare 6008i that I might consider letting go if you're interested.
 

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Can chime in here with some history with the Rollei. I got my first SLR (6003) in 1993, and was quite happy with it through the 1990s and early 2000s. Bought the 60mm Curtagon to go with the 80 at that time. Upgraded to the 6008AF and used with DP20 back with reasonable success, although struggled a bit with the batteries, and back/camera coordination. Every time someone said the factory was dying, another lens would be heavily discounted and added to the family. At one time had about 10 lenses...down to about 5 now (60, 80AF, 150 telexenar, 150 f4.5, 250). Largely prefer the manual lenses to the AF, as more robust. With focus confirmation on the Hy6 they are quite easy to use.

When the Hy6 came out, both Eric and I were pretty excited about it, and got ours (mod 1) at about the same time. Improvements were better battery relationship (got mine with a Leaf AFI II7 back and shared same battery type - factory would give you a choice of which battery to put in the handle). Liked the communication with the back (very nice), revised mirror (less slap) and generally about 1 stop more for handholding. The camera was a bit more compact, less vertical, more horizontal in shape, kind of like a Hassy but now with all the up-to-date electronics. Took some time to understand how to dial in each lens offset, which is a godsend for accurate focusing. AF and focus confirmation was much better too. All in all, it was a huge improvement, although it is a bit more fragile than the 6008. So the Hy6 is better but not as familiar (?) as the 6003/8. If I was still just shooting film, I might in fact go back. But for digital, the Hy6 is steps ahead.

Largely still use the Mod1, which has been back to the factory for updating, and recently, a new mother board and focus repair (its 9 years old). Us the camera largely with a Leaf Credo 60, picked up from a dealer who had it as a demo and was forced to sell or send back to Kodak (in one of the complex Leaf:Kodak:tongue:hase interfaces) for pennies, so the price was way less than one might ever have thought. Have used the back extensively since then - its quite lovely. The integration isn't as good as the AFI II with the Hy6, and has to be externally rotated, but the image quality is lovely - especially at base ISO.

Overall, quite fond of the Hy6 as a system camera, with its remarkable flexibility - from macro to tele, handheld to studio. My complaints are largely with the form factor - the handle makes it hard to pack and travel with (its an awkward shape), but the ergonomics and flexibility of the system are quite extensive and there is a lot to grow into. Its been hand-held to low speeds (1/30) with mirror lock up easily available, been to jungles and mountains. These days its a bit heavy to haul around (and other smaller gear has improved a lot) but the Schneider glass is exceptional. Have recently enjoyed the inexpensive Zeiss 250, much smaller than the Schneider 300, and easily walkable, and at f8/11, just as sharp. So there is a lot of joy still to be found in the system. Have not put much film through it tho....

Have dealt with Eric a lot over the years, and recommend him. His knowledge is extensive, very much so, and his understanding and appraisal of the gear is exceptional. He's a great boon to the community. The factory has been responsive over the years, with the same key staff at the top (the top 4 folks stay with this). I think there is enough base business to keep them operating, although major manufacturing is not likely. Modest small runs are tho, it seems. They have been quite responsive to service for all the years, even as recently as a few months ago. Quite happy with them - its personalized smaller scale. Hope this all helps.
 
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I REALLY took a long look at the Hy6. New and factory support is so attractive. I have had a run of issues with my old cameras recently! I like the big view and want to try the Schneider lenses. I could have swung it. And there is a new in box with warranty body and lens on eBay. But also being frugal, I couldn't justify owning a camera that's worth what my car is for the 10 rolls a year I shoot.

I called Eric to see if he had or knew of anything used. Eric was a pleasure to deal with. He had a NEW 6008af with 80 that the factory just put together. It's sitting on my kitchen table ready to be opened up!
 

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For what it is worth, I believe the camera store in the Netherlands that sells Hy6 on e*** is owned by one of the investors in the current dhw fototechnik, manufacturer of the Hy6.
 

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Your replies gave me a lot of food for thought. Thanks, all.

I have to admit, this is a bit more agonizing than I thought it would be. Part of the problem with living frugally for decades is that you develop an innate psychological resistance to spending large amounts of money on things that aren't necessities.

I am not opposed to getting an 6008AF or possibly a 6008 Integral 2, but I was under the impression that they are no longer available new. I may pursue that a bit more. Do the newer 6008s (AF and Integral 2) use Li Ion batteries or NiCad?

I have asked for pricing on some Hy6 Mod 2 items from the Netherlands Leica store (FOTO HENNY HOOGEVEEN). In fact, I am also interested in a Leica MP but everyone is out of stock on them.

In any case, I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the Hy6, but I think I will check into the availability of a 6008 from a reputable seller first. It sounds like the Hy6 is a better camera, but of the price is right...

Oddly, I noticed that buying the Hy6 Mod 2 body ($7495) and 80mm Apogon lens ($1996) separately is $500 cheaper on the Rollei USA site than buying the kit ($9995).
 

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I'm not sure if the 6008af "is available" new or mine was a one-of. It has a Li Ion battery and a 1 year factory warranty.
 

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Your replies gave me a lot of food for thought. Thanks, all.

I have to admit, this is a bit more agonizing than I thought it would be. Part of the problem with living frugally for decades is that you develop an innate psychological resistance to spending large amounts of money on things that aren't necessities.

I am not opposed to getting an 6008AF or possibly a 6008 Integral 2, but I was under the impression that they are no longer available new. I may pursue that a bit more. Do the newer 6008s (AF and Integral 2) use Li Ion batteries or NiCad?

I have asked for pricing on some Hy6 Mod 2 items from the Netherlands Leica store (FOTO HENNY HOOGEVEEN). In fact, I am also interested in a Leica MP but everyone is out of stock on them.

In any case, I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the Hy6, but I think I will check into the availability of a 6008 from a reputable seller first. It sounds like the Hy6 is a better camera, but of the price is right...

Oddly, I noticed that buying the Hy6 Mod 2 body ($7495) and 80mm Apogon lens ($1996) separately is $500 cheaper on the Rollei USA site than buying the kit ($9995).
Does the kit include a back and insert?
 
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Anyone: When sending to "the factory" from USA do you just send it or contact them first to let them know it is coming?
I have only needed Rollei service in 1988 when I used Marflex. Have never sent anything to Germany for service.
 
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Your replies gave me a lot of food for thought.

I have to admit, this is a bit more agonizing than I thought it would be. Part of the problem with living frugally for decades is that you develop an innate psychological resistance to spending large amounts of money on things that aren't necessities.

Life is short, you can't take it with you. Get the camera you want.
 
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I'm not sure if the 6008af "is available" new or mine was a one-of. It has a Li Ion battery and a 1 year factory warranty.
Tried to get a 6008AF from Eric yesterday but all gone for now. There is a waiting list. At least I got my Hy6, as I see those were sold out but just looked an are back in stock as of today.
 
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Life is short, you can't take it with you. Get the camera you want.
Yes, you are right! Life can be abrupt. My 62-year-old neighbor across the street died suddenly. His wife returned from another town and found the gent dead on the floor.

But as Mr. Krueger above wrote, having lived frugally for years, I always question if I "need" (i.e., want) a certain hobby item. "Need" is a dangerous word in American suburbia, a convenient excuse to purchase all sorts of excess, especially housing and internal combustion machinery. Here in USA, we learned the damage that these mythological needs can wreak when the 2008-2009 housing crash almost tanked the economy and millions of people said, "Ooops, where are my savings?" I don't worry about $30 Takumar lenses, but $500 or $1000 Hasselblad lenses are another matter.
 
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Yes, you are right! Life can be abrupt. My 62-year-old neighbor across the street died suddenly. His wife returned from another town and found the gent dead on the floor.

But as Mr. Krueger above wrote, having lived frugally for years, I always question if I "need" (i.e., want) a certain hobby item. "Need" is a dangerous word in American suburbia, a convenient excuse to purchase all sorts of excess, especially housing and internal combustion machinery. Here in USA, we learned the damage that these mythological needs can wreak when the 2008-2009 housing crash almost tanked the economy and millions of people said, "Ooops, where are my savings?" I don't worry about $30 Takumar lenses, but $500 or $1000 Hasselblad lenses are another matter.

Yeah I'm not advocating for living on credit. Rather simply not living like Smaug the dragon. OTOH, I often think I should just get rid of the whole system and focus on large format, and my TLR for medium format. There isn't any inherant state of nirvana that comes with having 'that perfect piece of kit'.
 

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Anyone: When sending to "the factory" from USA do you just send it or contact them first to let them know it is coming?
I have only needed Rollei service in 1988 when I used Marflex. Have never sent anything to Germany for service.
For the Hy6, I would contact Eric first. There is also service contact information on the dhw website: http://www.dhw-fototechnik.de
I don't know if the factory services the 6008 cameras. Here is another service center in Germany: http://www.paepke-fototechnik.de/eng/service.html
Dave Feeley in Longmont CO services the 6008 cameras and lenses: keycamera@yahoo.com
 
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It is the 6008 that went bad. Is this some crazy coincidence it happened the month after I got the Hy6? See video below, no aperture. Shutter works but all pictures over-exposed wide open no matter the aperture setting. Since it is an electrical fault in the body, I'm not to encouraged this can ever be repaired unless some repair facility has old left-over PC boards for 6008i type 1. Eric is baffled too. Personally I'd like to use this as an opportunity to upgrade to the 6008AF. Maybe when worldwide COVID settles, the 6008AF used market will come back.

 

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Does the kit include a back and insert?

Yep. Both have a 6x6 back, battery, battery charger, strap, and waist level finder. The full kit with lens does not list the insert, but says it "includes everything you need to start shooting except film". The body kit lists the insert explicitly.
 

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Yeah I'm not advocating for living on credit. Rather simply not living like Smaug the dragon. OTOH, I often think I should just get rid of the whole system and focus on large format, and my TLR for medium format. There isn't any inherant state of nirvana that comes with having 'that perfect piece of kit'.

I too have an old Rollei TLR and I have thought about just letting that be my only MF camera. One of the big issues that bothers me about buying the Hy6 is the possibility that it could stop working and there's no place to get it fixed. DHW could call it quits next year. It's one thing to buy an expensive camera, it's another for it to suddenly morph into an expensive paper weight.
 
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I too have an old Rollei TLR and I have thought about just letting that be my only MF camera. One of the big issues that bothers me about buying the Hy6 is the possibility that it could stop working and there's no place to get it fixed. DHW could call it quits next year. It's one thing to buy an expensive camera, it's another for it to suddenly morph into an expensive paper weight.

Well, consider that The Contax 645AF is still an extremely popular camera 2 decades after it's absurdly timed demise. There are many shops still repairing them for professional photographer's the world over. It was a major part of the film resurgence in weddings and portraits thanks to it's glorious 80/2 normal and 35mm AF camera-like operation. They're notorious for shutter issues, but people are still using and fixing them. That camera, like the Hy6, was largely ignored during it's production life.

The folks running the factory in Germany seem to be dedicated to supporting what they and I believe is the best medium format camera ever made. I understand your fears about it, I share them on some level! However, I have a working Hy6 Mod 2 right now, and whatever tomorrow may bring, I'm making beautiful pictures with it today. I guess that counts for something.
 
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