What actually are Lomography repackaged films?

[braxus]

Pro Image 100 doesn't have as much saturation as Lomo 100 does, nor are its colors as warm as Lomo. Its been said the film could be the current Color Plus film. Or it could still be some variant of Gold. It would be really nice to figure this one out. I have 6 rolls of 100 in 120 coming my way, so I can try for myself of course.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Pro Image 100 doesn't have as much saturation as Lomo 100 does, nor are its colors as warm as Lomo. Its been said the film could be the current Color Plus film. Or it could still be some variant of Gold. It would be really nice to figure this one out. I have 6 rolls of 100 in 120 coming my way, so I can try for myself of course.

we've previously concluded the CN films are kodacolor VR emulsions.

 

[braxus]

we've previously concluded the CN films are kodacolor VR emulsions.

So basically Color Plus then? Color Plus was the VR Plus film renamed. VR Plus came in 100, 200, and 400 some years back. And it also may have been in 120.

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

So basically Color Plus then? Color Plus was the VR Plus film renamed. VR Plus came in 100, 200, and 400 some years back. And it also may have been in 120.

the stance is lomo has the 100, 400 and 800 speeds, but kodak is selling the 200 speed as color plus.

 

[Paul Howell]

As I hypothesized on another thread, it could be that Loma contracts with Kodak for custom master roll using any number of older emulsions Kodak has in their files.

 

[markjwyatt]

As I hypothesized on another thread, it could be that Loma contracts with Kodak for custom master roll using any number of older emulsions Kodak has in their files.

I kind of doubt that. I don't think you can just dial in an emulsion (especially color) on-contract. Once you start producing on a line, you tend to keep it going or shut it down.

 

[Paul Howell]

As I understand it Kodak can produce a master roll with any emulsion that it has the chemistry for. Kodak's plant haves massive capacity, I doubt that it runs day and night, with lags between in house orders, it could produce what ever anyone is willing to pay for. As it is Kodak makes Color +, Kodak Gold, Pro Image, Porta, Ektar, and Ektachrome 100, adding another emulsion would not that much work. But, on the other thread it seems that Lomo 120 is made in China, the only color producer in China that I know if is Lucky which did make a 80s and 90s version of Kodacolor 100, 200 and 400, I have not see any Lucky film in years, did not know that Lucky still had the coating line. Maybe there is another producer, Shanghai?

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

As I understand it Kodak can produce a master roll with any emulsion that it has the chemistry for. Kodak's plant haves massive capacity, I doubt that it runs day and night, with lags between in house orders, it could produce what ever anyone is willing to pay for. As it is Kodak makes Color +, Kodak Gold, Pro Image, Porta, Ektar, and Ektachrome 100, adding another emulsion would not that much work. But, on the other thread it seems that Lomo 120 is made in China, the only color producer in China that I know if is Lucky which did make a 80s and 90s version of Kodacolor 100, 200 and 400, I have not see any Lucky film in years, did not know that Lucky still had the coating line. Maybe there is another producer, Shanghai?

don't quote me on this, but I believe Kodak coats its 120 films in china(?)

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

Incidentally, Lomography tiger and redscale 110 currently say made in america, while the lomochromes (all formats) and xpro 110 say made in germany, when their 110s previously said made in china.

 

[MattKing]

don't quote me on this, but I believe Kodak coats its 120 films in china(?)

All Kodak film is coated in Building 38 in Rochester, New York.
That includes all still and movie films.
The Lucky experiment in China was from many years ago, and was shut down.
In the very distant past - long before the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy - Eastman Kodak had international subsidiaries like Kodak Limited in the UK, Kodak Pathe in France, Kodak Brazil (and others) where film was coated. That was all closed down long ago.
Eastman Kodak will also do contract coating out of Building 38, if you have the money.
The Kodak colour RA-4 paper that was being made by Kodak Alaris (at Harrow England and others), and then was made on contract at the Carestream facility in Colorado (and possibly in South America too?) is possibly now being moved to China (and others?).
It certainly would be possible for someone else to build still film confectioning capacity (in China or otherwise) and for Kodak Alaris to contract for those services.
I don't see Eastman Kodak farming out confectioning of the movie film they sell.
Now as for the source of the backing paper for 120 - I have no idea where that is being made for Eastman Kodak. I just know they are not able to make it any more themselves.

 

[Adrian Bacon]

Pro Image 100 doesn't have as much saturation as Lomo 100 does, nor are its colors as warm as Lomo. Its been said the film could be the current Color Plus film. Or it could still be some variant of Gold. It would be really nice to figure this one out. I have 6 rolls of 100 in 120 coming my way, so I can try for myself of course.

how are you coming to that conclusion? I’ve not found a published tech sheet for either one. Outside of that, it’s pretty difficult to make any real comparisons unless a roll of each was shot of the same subjects, processed at the same time, and scanned with the same scanner. This is something I’ve been planning on doing, but I’ve been really busy as of late.

from a logistics point of view, if kodak is already making proimage 100, why not make enough to also handle whatever lomo wants? They already kind of do the same thing with Lomo 800. It’s most likely the 800 speed emulsion that gets used in the fun saver disposables, and the lomo 400 is either an older version of ultramax, or colorplus 200.

based on what lomo does for most of their other lines, they repackage an already existing and currently produced emulsion instead of contract an emulsion production run just for them. All their bw is already produced as Foma film, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if it’s the same for their CN line.

 

[Paul Howell]

If the box says made in China, there are only 2 Chinese companies capable of making film, Shanghai and Lucky. I've only seen B&W from Shanghai, and have never seen 120 from Lucky. So maybe coated by Lucky and finished by Shanghai? But looking at the ad copy on Freestyle "LomoChrome Metropolis comes with a unique chemical formula specifically developed in the Lomography film factory, which desaturates colors, mutes tones, and makes contrasts pop." This does not seem to be either Kodak Gold or old VR, and where is their factory, has anyone asked?

 

[TheGreatGasMaskMan]

If the box says made in China, there are only 2 Chinese companies capable of making film, Shanghai and Lucky. I've only seen B&W from Shanghai, and have never seen 120 from Lucky. So maybe coated by Lucky and finished by Shanghai? But looking at the ad copy on Freestyle "LomoChrome Metropolis comes with a unique chemical formula specifically developed in the Lomography film factory, which desaturates colors, mutes tones, and makes contrasts pop." This does not seem to be either Kodak Gold or old VR, and where is their factory, has anyone asked?

lomochrome films say made in Germany.
My conspiracy theory is that they're using AGFA's old equipment.

Granted, older lomochrome and 110 films said made in china.

 

[faberryman]

If the box says made in China, there are only 2 Chinese companies capable of making film, Shanghai and Lucky. I've only seen B&W from Shanghai, and have never seen 120 from Lucky. So maybe coated by Lucky and finished by Shanghai? But looking at the ad copy on Freestyle "LomoChrome Metropolis comes with a unique chemical formula specifically developed in the Lomography film factory, which desaturates colors, mutes tones, and makes contrasts pop." This does not seem to be either Kodak Gold or old VR, and where is their factory, has anyone asked?

I searched for "Lomography film factory". Google returned three pages of results, all of which repeated Lomography's description from LomoChrome Metropolis film. I think Lomography's film factory is a code name for Lomography's marketing department. Speaking of which, is their any reason Lomography's marketing department would call a color negative film "Lomochrome"? Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, oh yeah? It is cheaper than Portra and Ektar, but is a $2 premium over Color Plus. Claiming membership in the Lomographic Society: priceless.

 

[pentaxuser]

We would now appear to have with us a person on Photrio who represents him/herself as the Official GP3 Account on another thread about the return of GP3 film in 220. That person says that he/she is interested in our feedback on GP3 including problems which suggests to me that said person should have knowledge of what the GP3 factory does.

Someone might want to ask that person about whether Shanghai has any connection or not to making Lomography films

Just a suggestion

pentaxuser

 

[Paul Howell]

So my best guess is that like Bergger Lomo might in house or contract out for emulsion development, or buy and rebrand existing stock, B&W Foma the Czech Republic, color China, Germany and in the past Kodak.

 

[Arcadia4]

Lomography get their films from several sources and they have changed over time as the price and availability in the market has changed. The main B&W offering is currently fomapan (was tmax) but the berlin, potsdam kino films are Orwo. These (orwo) and some of the lomochrome films inc metropolis and the colour effects are coated by Inoviscoat in Germany. Its not clear who converts them as inoviscoat doesn't have that capability, that is the only unknown. The std colour films are kodak products, fujifilm is the only other manufacturer in that segment.

 

[flavio81]

lomochrome films say made in Germany.
My conspiracy theory is that they're using AGFA's old equipment.

Granted, older lomochrome and 110 films said made in china.

Germany = InovisCoat, which is alive and well and making film for other brands.

 

[flavio81]

Lomography get their films from several sources and they have changed over time as the price and availability in the market has changed. The main B&W offering is currently fomapan (was tmax) but the berlin, potsdam kino films are Orwo. These (orwo) and some of the lomochrome films inc metropolis and the colour effects are coated by Inoviscoat in Germany. Its not clear who converts them as inoviscoat doesn't have that capability, that is the only unknown. The std colour films are kodak products, fujifilm is the only other manufacturer in that segment.

Are you sure Inoviscoat or "another "company in germany can't convert? TURA AG used to do conversion for lots of films in germany. I'd guess there is another company there in germany doing the conversion,.

 

[flavio81]

As I hypothesized on another thread, it could be that Loma contracts with Kodak for custom master roll using any number of older emulsions Kodak has in their files.

I think it's even simpler than that -- i guess Kodak has some master rolls of VR films there, frozen since years ago, and simply sells them to Lomo which then converts them into 120 or 35mm in China.

 

[MattKing]

I think it's even simpler than that -- i guess Kodak has some master rolls of VR films there, frozen since years ago, and simply sells them to Lomo which then converts them into 120 or 35mm in China.

I doubt that they would have been still around after the bankruptcy.

 

[foc]

Henning Serger and I did some tests with Lomography CN100 and Kodak ProImage 100 and we came to the conclusion that they were both the same.

 

[macfred]

Henning Serger and I did some tests with Lomography CN100 and Kodak ProImage 100 and we came to the conclusion that they were both the same.

Any ideas for Lomography Color 400 ?

 

[AgX]

Henning Serger and I did some tests with Lomography CN100 and Kodak ProImage 100 and we came to the conclusion that they were both the same.

Again a case where the original film can be had for less than the rebranded. (Based on a glance at a major dealer.)

 

[macfred]

Again a case where the original film can be had for less than the rebranded. (Based on a glance at a major dealer.)

True, but unfortunately not in 120.