110/16mm Camera Image Quality

[Cholentpot]

Got a stash of Superia 110 (40!) from KEH.

Must feed the beasts..

Looks like a brick of fun.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

What do you mean by ?

As opposed to a daylight tank, it may not be sufficiently light-tight for use outside of a darkroom.

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I caught the 16mm stills bug after a few uses of my spring-wound cine camera and noticing FPP is selling 3D printed minolta 16 cassettes. I need to add some felt light traps but they function well enough -- plus the 2 cameras I picked up (MG-S, QT) both had a cassette in them already!! The sprockets are incorrectly oriented in this instance but loading a cassette is pretty easy.

Minolta 16 MG-S, 40cm close-up attachment
Double-X, Pyrocat-MC 8', flatbed scanned


Edit2: Double-X is deadly in Xtol. Certainly a go-to combo for this format.

 

[Huss]

Pentax Auto110, 24mm 2.8, Fuji Superia 200 expired 2000.

 

[Huss]

Pentax Auto110, 24mm 2.8, Fuji Superia 200 expired 2000

 

[Cholentpot]

Pentax Auto110, 24mm 2.8, Fuji Superia 200 expired 2000.

Could have told me this was 35mm and I wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

[Huss]

Could have told me this was 35mm and I wouldn't have known otherwise.

The problem with 110 images in the past was that the majority of 110 cameras were, well, not very good.
Combine that with crappy processing = lousy results.

Using a decent 110 camera (one that can be focused and has exposure control) like a Rollei or Pentax takes care of the first part. Scanning the film yourself takes care of the second part

 

[ciniframe]

The problem with 110 images in the past was that the majority of 110 cameras were, well, not very good.
Combine that with crappy processing = lousy results.

Using a decent 110 camera (one that can be focused and has exposure control) like a Rollei or Pentax takes care of the first part. Scanning the film yourself takes care of the second part

Ages ago, at least 40 years, Pentax advertising was promoting their 110 SLR. They had shot Verichrome Pan and made 8x10 enlargements. Although you could tell it was not 35mm they were really good and at normal viewing distance would probably pass for 35mm to a casual viewer. Of course this was with spotless and expert darkroom work.
Personally I find the 10x14mm negative from my Minolta ok up to 5x7 but you can definitely tell, even at that size (a 12X enlargement) its a small neg.
The 13x17mm of 110 really shows up what even a ‘small’ increase in negative area can do.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Personally I find the 10x14mm negative from my Minolta ok up to 5x7 but you can definitely tell, even at that size (a 12X enlargement) its a small neg.
The 13x17mm of 110 really shows up what even a ‘small’ increase in negative area can do.

No question. A 10x14 negative on microfilm stock can make a good 8x10 -- but it's hard to handle the camera well enough to get the quality that needs (especially without a tripod socket or cable release socket on most of the Minolta cameras). The 13x17 of 110 or a later generation Minolta/Kiev, coupled with a focusing lens, can make a world of difference for prints bigger than 4x6.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

Minolta 16 MG-S f/6.3 @ 4ft diopter
Vision3 50D Homebrew ECN-2 & flatbed scanned @ 1200 dpi



Makes me want to shoot more cine film though; much better glass.

Edit: The color fidelity seems much better w/ electronic flash but I'll have to see how it prints

 

[Huss]

Minolta 16 MG-S f/6.3 @ 4ft diopter
Vision3 50D Homebrew ECN-2 & flatbed scanned @ 1200 dpi

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Makes me want to shoot more cine film though; much better glass.

Edit: The color fidelity seems much better w/ electronic flash but I'll have to see how it prints
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Nice results!

 

[Huss]

Pentax Auto110, 24mm 2.8, Fuji Superia200 expired 2000

 

[Cholentpot]

Minolta 16 MG-S f/6.3 @ 4ft diopter
Vision3 50D Homebrew ECN-2 & flatbed scanned @ 1200 dpi

View attachment 274738

Makes me want to shoot more cine film though; much better glass.

Edit: The color fidelity seems much better w/ electronic flash but I'll have to see how it prints
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Nice scans

Pentax Auto110, 24mm 2.8, Fuji Superia200 expired 2000

The grain is showing here but it sure looks nice.

 

[Huss]

Nice scans



The grain is showing here but it sure looks nice.

Yup. That's because it was underexposed and LR came to the rescue! It is what happens when you shoot an auto only camera with no exposure compensation into the light.
I wanted to see how the Pentax would handle lighting like this. I'd love to try a Auto110 Super, as that has an exposure compensation button, but none for sale at a reasonable price.

 

[Cholentpot]

Yup. That's because it was underexposed and LR came to the rescue! It is what happens when you shoot an auto only camera with no exposure compensation into the light.
I wanted to see how the Pentax would handle lighting like this. I'd love to try a Auto110 Super, as that has an exposure compensation button, but none for sale at a reasonable price.

I've been hunting for a Super. Not easy to find at a normal price so far.

 

[Huss]

Rollei A110, Fuji Superia 200

 

[Huss]

Kodak Fling single use/disposable camera reloaded with Fuji Superia.




Surprisingly good, all things considered. Best use (of course) in nice bright conditions as only one shutter speed/aperture. Optimal sharpness seems to be about 12 ft, but decent results from 6 ft to about 40 ft... Main cause of lack of sharpness is camera shake, as this thing is awkward to hold, the shutter button is in an awkward position, and the action is awkwardly long and stiff. Thassa awful lotta awkward!
But if you hold it steady, not bad especially seeing the camera looks like a couple of pieces of lego stuck together.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

Minolta 16 QT Close-Up
Double-X in stock Xtol



'Missed it by that much'

Edit: Also, some poesies from D-96. Had to take special care in scanning to preserve the highlights as opposed to Xtol.

 

[Huss]

Rollei A110, Fuji Superia 200

 

[Huss]

Rollei A110, Fuji Superia 200

 

[Huss]

Rollei A110, Superia 200

 

[Cholentpot]

Rollei A110, Superia 200

I like the rebate included.

I take it the A110 is chosen over the Auto 110 then?

 

[Huss]

I like the rebate included.

I take it the A110 is chosen over the Auto 110 then?

I like both! Different.. I still need to try the other lenses on the Pentax, I've only used the 24mm.
The Rollei is much nicer made and closed slips into any pocket as there is nothing sticking out. The Pentax as it is mini SLR snags, and just feels more delicate.
But both are great to use, and fun fun fun.

 

[Huss]

Daisy looking for the cat.

Rollei A110, Superia 200

 

[Huss]

Rollei A110, Superia 200

 

[warden]

Rollei A110, Superia 200

These are so dang cool.