110/16mm Camera Image Quality

[Cholentpot]

Minolta 16II, Hp5+

I never bothered learning how to export from Lightroom to make a smaller sized JPEG.

 

[Huss]

Got the first cartridge back from the Pentax Auto 110.
Fukkatsu 400 film:



Notes - the camera now works correctly with no hang ups after I applied electrical contact cleaner to the shutter switch/button.

The Fukkastsu film continues to disappoint. I bought 10 cartridges, but now wish I had just bought the Lomo film. I have so far only achieved decent results with two of them.
The film is expired and the results on the whole either look to have age/heat damage, OR the film is not ISO 400 but more like 100, but is read as 400 due to the tabs on the cartridge.
The images look like they were underexposed by about 2 stops - whether I use my Rollei or now the Pentax.

My next roll of film in the Pentax will be Fuji Superia 200.

As to compare the Pentax to the Rollei, the Rollei feels much better built. The body is solid and gorgeous, the VF is bright, and the film advance actuation feels rock solid.
The Pentax feels like a plastic toy in comparison with an especially fragile feeling film advance. But it is a blast to use, the vf is surprisingly good, and it is a freakin interchangeable lens SLR!

While I have the complete kit I've only so far used the 24mm 2.8 (about a 50mm equiv), and until I put some decent film through it cannot finalize my thoughts on sharpness vs the Rollei.
Right now sharpness is decent, but does not seem as good as the Rollei. But I will see after I get the Fuji film back.

 

[ciniframe]

About the ISO speed notches on 110 cartridges, somewhere in my dim memory it seems it was possible to modify the cartridge to fool the cameras speed sensing device.
Does anyone else remember anything about this?

 

[Huss]

Another issue... loaded a Fuji Superia cartridge and the film would not advance. The lever moved, but it felt like something was not gripping. Tried it with the autowinder - just spins w/o advancing the film.
Loaded a Fukkatsu cartridge - no issues. Examined the Fuji cartridge and some of the teeth on the plastic advance gear in it are bent. I manually turn the gear with a screwdriver pushing on the teeth and it was very difficult before it eventually broke free and loosened up. Put film back into the camera and it now advanced.
Of course it is now 12.40am so I need to follow up in the morning when I can take pics and see if it is working...

 

[Donald Qualls]

About the ISO speed notches on 110 cartridges, somewhere in my dim memory it seems it was possible to modify the cartridge to fool the cameras speed sensing device.
Does anyone else remember anything about this?

From what I recall, a 100 speed cartridge can be modified to read as 400, but you'd have to extend the takeup end tab on a 400 speed cartridge to read as 100. Not impossible, but not as easy as cutting the tab to go the other way.

From what I recall reading, the above mentioned two stop underexposure of Fukkatsu is "normal" in that those cartridges have a 400 speed tab configuration, but are loaded with 100 speed film.

 

[Agulliver]

I've shot and developed my first roll of Lomography Orca 100ASA B&W 110 film....anyone know what this actually is?

I'll tell you that it's good, whatever the origin of the film. Shot this in the funky little ITT IC-405 which has a strange shape and colour scheme like it came off a Star Wars ship. For a simple pocket camera it did good.

 

[Cholentpot]

I've shot and developed my first roll of Lomography Orca 100ASA B&W 110 film....anyone know what this actually is?

I'll tell you that it's good, whatever the origin of the film. Shot this in the funky little ITT IC-405 which has a strange shape and colour scheme like it came off a Star Wars ship. For a simple pocket camera it did good.

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Not bad at all.

Got the first cartridge back from the Pentax Auto 110.
Fukkatsu 400 film:



Notes - the camera now works correctly with no hang ups after I applied electrical contact cleaner to the shutter switch/button.

The Fukkastsu film continues to disappoint. I bought 10 cartridges, but now wish I had just bought the Lomo film. I have so far only achieved decent results with two of them.
The film is expired and the results on the whole either look to have age/heat damage, OR the film is not ISO 400 but more like 100, but is read as 400 due to the tabs on the cartridge.
The images look like they were underexposed by about 2 stops - whether I use my Rollei or now the Pentax.

My next roll of film in the Pentax will be Fuji Superia 200.

As to compare the Pentax to the Rollei, the Rollei feels much better built. The body is solid and gorgeous, the VF is bright, and the film advance actuation feels rock solid.
The Pentax feels like a plastic toy in comparison with an especially fragile feeling film advance. But it is a blast to use, the vf is surprisingly good, and it is a freakin interchangeable lens SLR!

While I have the complete kit I've only so far used the 24mm 2.8 (about a 50mm equiv), and until I put some decent film through it cannot finalize my thoughts on sharpness vs the Rollei.
Right now sharpness is decent, but does not seem as good as the Rollei. But I will see after I get the Fuji film back.

Waiting for you to join the reload/slit your own team. Whoever is scanning your negs is doing a great job.

 

[Huss]

From what I recall, a 100 speed cartridge can be modified to read as 400, but you'd have to extend the takeup end tab on a 400 speed cartridge to read as 100. Not impossible, but not as easy as cutting the tab to go the other way.

From what I recall reading, the above mentioned two stop underexposure of Fukkatsu is "normal" in that those cartridges have a 400 speed tab configuration, but are loaded with 100 speed film.

I compared the cartridges from the Fukkatsu "400" to the Fuji 200. The 200 has a tab that nearly covers the width of the cartridge, while the 400 is half of that. Looking inside the Pentax, there is a little switch that the extended tab will push in, setting the camera to 100 ISO. So basically these 'fancy' 110 film cameras only have an ISO 100/400 option. Current film seems to be ISO 200, which is set as 100 and works perfectly fine at that.
So back to the Fukkatsu... the sellers claim it is a 400 film (and it is so checked on the box and tabbed for it) but either it has aged really badly, or it is a 100 film.

@Cholentpot I'm scanning the film with a digicam and LOMO Digitiliza 110 film holder on a light pad.

 

[Cholentpot]

I compared the cartridges from the Fukkatsu "400" to the Fuji 200. The 200 has a tab that nearly covers the width of the cartridge, while the 400 is half of that. Looking inside the Pentax, there is a little switch that the extended tab will push in, setting the camera to 100 ISO. So basically these 'fancy' 110 film cameras only have an ISO 100/400 option. Current film seems to be ISO 200, which is set as 100 and works perfectly fine at that.
So back to the Fukkatsu... the sellers claim it is a 400 film (and it is so checked on the box and tabbed for it) but either it has aged really badly, or it is a 100 film. Going forward I'm going to trim the tabs on mine to see how it reacts to being shot at 100.

@Cholentpot I'm scanning the film with a digicam and LOMO Digitiliza 110 film holder on a light pad.

What are you doing in post if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Huss]

What are you doing in post if you don't mind me asking?

Not at all. I convert the film using negativelabpro.com (which I use for all my film formats), use their Lab Standard as tone selection (there are many options), then save copy as jpeg which then sends it back to Lightroom.
I'll delete the RAW file copy (don't need it anymore, don't need to take up disc space, still have the actual physical film if I need to revisit) and may add slight colour corrections in LR. I may also adjust the tone sliders in LR (black/white/highlights) if it needs it.

 

[Huss]

I've shot and developed my first roll of Lomography Orca 100ASA B&W 110 film....anyone know what this actually is?

I'll tell you that it's good, whatever the origin of the film. Shot this in the funky little ITT IC-405 which has a strange shape and colour scheme like it came off a Star Wars ship. For a simple pocket camera it did good.

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Those look really nice!

 

[Cholentpot]

Not at all. I convert the film using negativelabpro.com (which I use for all my film formats), use their Lab Standard as tone selection (there are many options), then save copy as jpeg which then sends it back to Lightroom.
I'll delete the RAW file copy (don't need it anymore, don't need to take up disc space, still have the actual physical film if I need to revisit) and may add slight colour corrections in LR. I may also adjust the tone sliders in LR (black/white/highlights) if it needs it.

I've heard good about NLP. After I upgrade my PC I think I'm going to shell out for it.

 

[Huss]

I've heard good about NLP. After I upgrade my PC I think I'm going to shell out for it.

It is so worth it for me. It is an essential part of my workflow.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Minolta 16II (with 0 lens), Fuji Imagelink HQ, EI 50 in Caffenol LC (non-ascorbate low contrast formula). Scanned with digital camera pointed into enlarger.

Kiev 303, Plus-X Negative (cine), Parodinal 1:50

Minolta 16 MG, Copex Rapid, EI 100, Caffenol LC+C, scan from 8x10 print.

Sure wish I could still buy Copex Rapid. I wonder if Adox HR-50 (with Speed Boost) has similar characteristics?

 

[ciniframe]

Super procrastinator, in fact the only thing I'm a 'pro' at. But have loaded 2 Minolta cartridges last week with Double-X, finished one and am working on the second roll. Wow, actually taking pictures What a concept. Huss and Cholentpot must be causing me to get away from the keyboard and do some picture taking.

 

[Cholentpot]

Minolta 16II, Imagelink HQ Kodak Microfilm @ about ISO 25, Rodinal 1:175 two hour stand. No lens filter.

Super procrastinator, in fact the only thing I'm a 'pro' at. But have loaded 2 Minolta cartridges last week with Double-X, finished one and am working on the second roll. Wow, actually taking pictures What a concept. Huss and Cholentpot must be causing me to get away from the keyboard and do some picture taking.

I've noticed on this forum a lot of chatting and not name photos. I think that's because many users here are uncomfortable with scans. It's digitizing what they'd rather keep analog.

DoubleX is becoming one of my favorite films.

 

[Huss]

From what I recall reading, the above mentioned two stop underexposure of Fukkatsu is "normal" in that those cartridges have a 400 speed tab configuration, but are loaded with 100 speed film.

Revisiting this comment.. on the Fukkatsu box it says ISO 400. But turn the box over and there is a exposure reference diagram. It shows, amongst other things, full sun w/ F16 @ 1/125! Which is the exposure for 100 ISO film!!

 

[Cholentpot]

Instamatic 60, Fukkatsu 400

Not a 400 speed film.

 

[Huss]

Instamatic 60, Fukkatsu 400

Not a 400 speed film.

The weird thing is on a couple of rolls I got really good results, which means one of two things - either those cartridges were tabbed correctly, or the film in those was actually 400. The former seems more likely.

 

[Cholentpot]

The weird thing is on a couple of rolls I got really good results, which means one of two things - either those cartridges were tabbed correctly, or the film in those was actually 400. The former seems more likely.

Bought one and have been reusing the cartridge for reloads. The Instamatic only shoots at ISO80 though. Unless you trick the eye and get it down to about 25, which I've done before.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Worth noting that a Pocket Instamatic 60 is a single-speed camera -- it has no sensor for the cartridge speed tab, it always exposes at EI 100. That means the Fukkatsu film should work as well in that (and other first-gen Kodak 110 cameras) as correctly loaded 400 would in a later two-speed camera.

 

[Cholentpot]

Kiev30, Hp5+

I shot this stuff last summer. I recall I basically stopped reading this website for about six months or more. I was too bummed out and didn't want to read about pandemic on APUG. I shot so much film, must have come in near 120 rolls last year. I went on trips all over the state staying outdoors and finding fun nooks and crannies.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Nice. I might have to get a roll of TMX to slit for my Kievs. I'd forgotten how well they can do. They focus down to half a meter, too...

 

[Cholentpot]

Nice. I might have to get a roll of TMX to slit for my Kievs. I'd forgotten how well they can do. They focus down to half a meter, too...

I don't have much luck with short focus distance. I just leave at infinity.

 

[Donald Qualls]

I've had good results inside a couple feet, but only with the lens stopped down (DOF a couple inches instead of near-zero).