Film Ferrania - Developments from October 2023 onward

[Revenant]

I think the most important question about these bulk rolls is: Will they be individually QR-coded?

 

[cmacd123]

I think the most important question about these bulk rolls is: Will they be individually QR-coded?

and will the QR code work? I wrote FF that the QR code on my last batch of film came back with a production date of 1980. I got a fast reply that they will check, but No follow up.

 

[Agulliver]

I don't think I use enough P30 to want a bulk roll, but that's not a bad price at all....and it's great to see this option now available.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I love P30, but I only want it in 120... or even sheet film, if that happens. Waiting for P33 120 to arrive in shops over here or at least in the US...

 

[Mackinaw]

I was going to buy a bulk roll of P30, but shipping cost to the U.S. (via DHL) is $39.00. I'll pass.

Jim B.

 

[cmacd123]

while looking for more information on the NEW Kodak Chemical line, I noticed that the folks at Cine-Still are listing SOME of the Ferrania products on their web site. not sure if this is a new development or not. It looks like Cine-Still is wanting to be in the distribution Game.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

while looking for more information on the NEW Kodak Chemical line, I noticed that the folks at Cine-Still are listing SOME of the Ferrania products on their web site. not sure if this is a new development or not. It looks like Cine-Still is wanting to be in the distribution Game.

Which is fine by me if it means being able to get our hands on Ferrania films...

 

[cmacd123]

Which is fine by me if it means being able to get our hands on Ferrania films...

yes, My last order proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that getting stuff Via DHL is NOT viable. (which is why I have passed up several items from photoimpex over the years.) My order arrived fast, But the paperwork fees (and I am not talking about the tax and duties, those were LESS than the fees form DHL) almost doubled the price.

 

[Harry Callahan]

In the previous thread a picture from a social network was posted, showing some color film - and the film can had a name of a certain photographer written on it, iirc. People started to wonder whether it is color slide or negative film.
Is anything new known about this?

 

[runswithsizzers]

I guess there has been no news about whether P33 is really coming in 135 (ISO 160)? Ferrania barely mentions P33 on their website.

 

[Agulliver]

I guess there has been no news about whether P33 is really coming in 135 (ISO 160)? Ferrania barely mentions P33 on their website.

Film Ferrania have consistently said that they'll give news when products are ready for production.

People here and on social media got very angry with the regular video updates, drips of news about small achievements in the lab....so they stopped.

 

[pentaxuser]

In the previous thread a picture from a social network was posted, showing some color film - and the film can had a name of a certain photographer written on it, iirc. People started to wonder whether it is color slide or negative film.
Is anything new known about this?

Whose certain photographer's name was it and should we take it that this is Ferrania's colour film at last?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Harry Callahan]

Thanks for replies, the name was @robbie_mcintosh, seems to live in Napoli (Naples). The picture apparently was posted on Ferranias Instagram and Facebook - but seems to have disappeared on their Facebook side soon.

 

[Agulliver]

I remember the picture, and I started following Robbie on Instagram. IIRC the post appeared in his Instagram about testing something interesting for Film Ferrania, and had some hand labelled film cassettes. One was labelled "colour". But nothing else has emerged from this. Robbie himself seems to enjoy photographing unusual/quirky people in the streets and on the beach. I've not seen anything in his feed which suggests he's posted anything shot on Ferrania film yet.

As for P33, anyone's guess at the moment. They will tell us when it's ready to hit the market. The fact that they've mentioned it at all suggests they reckon they're not too far away, though. We know that the confectioning lines for 135 and 120 are all sorted....which was the big project they were working on.

 

[Corn_Zhou]

I bought two rolls of P33 from my local dealer in China. They came in without dev times. Maybe I'll try BTTB deveolper.

 

[cmacd123]

I bought two rolls of P33 from my local dealer in China.

WOW. please let us know what you find.

 

[mshchem]

I bought two rolls of P33 from my local dealer in China. They came in without dev times. Maybe I'll try BTTB deveolper.

That's the first I've seen of this. Enjoy

 

[Agulliver]

I bought two rolls of P33 from my local dealer in China. They came in without dev times. Maybe I'll try BTTB deveolper.

Wow that looks like the real deal.

I had a quick look at the Film Ferrania website and I can't see any "best practise" sheet like they have for P30. But if they are releasing P33 into the wild, it can't be long before they also give out some guidance on development.

 

[twelvetone12]

Well I found it on Maco too, albeit out of stock, maybe they are going to announce it soon? Pretty cool if so.

EDIT: it seems it was presented, at least in Italy:

 

[runswithsizzers]

Well I found it on Maco too, albeit out of stock, maybe they are going to announce it soon? Pretty cool if so.

EDIT: it seems it was presented, at least in Italy:

I think there is some interesting discussion in that video, but being twice translated, I could not really make much sense out of much of it. I don't speak Italian, so I read the machine generated transcript, which was machine translated to English. Hopefully, someone fluent in Italian can give us a better translation. Here is an excerpt, with some interesting points highlighted (by me) in bold:

17:29
how to say I have this desire to present the p33 that we actually already have
17:35
presented as a prototype and so on next week or so
17:41
we will receive the first p33 p33 will not be in quantities as explained dotor
17:47
Pinion and will not be in large quantities at the beginning slowly the
17:53
production will also start and stabilize according to market demands
...
21:57
...developments goes very well super Grain of the
22:02
rolley at 1 + 12 1 + 15 also eh pre
22:07
bathroom pre bath Then let's say that one another of these evolutions that these
22:14
emulsion they have had especially on the p30 is that also from the point of view
22:20
of treatment have become more between comfortable quotes Ok however pre bath of 23 Minu 23
22:26
minutes talk of these films is that we say the emulsion the gelatin is
22:33
rather waterproof Ok as it is also explained in the manuals
22:40
ilford We still have to mention one
22:46
one that explains that precisely the emulsion how to say the granules
22:52
silver opens with water Ok then it is clear that this happens in the
22:59
development however as we work with development times Unless you use
23:04
a Standing a development stand as for example with rodinal Where we leave inside an hour Of course and we say that the
23:11
average developments Today are developments that develop in 8 bar1 minutes but the
23:17
pre-bath is used to prepare the emulsion to be able to finish a development cycle at
23:24
make it more hydrophilic when the perfect development arrives said this this applies to both the Orto and the P3 it is worth
23:30
for the p30 It is valid for the p33 we have done some tests with without pre-bath with some
23:35
results that anyway you can see the difference So better for bathroom I recommend it but how to say Carta canta
23:43
because we can show him now then he arrives in Sanremo and will sing about paper Listen instead the f30 you had made a
23:51
example of the Rolle of the super Grain for Then then for the ote super Grain the ec can be fine
23:58
the ec film which is a reinterpretation of the XT that is an acid-based development
24:06
ascorbic therefore also ecological is called ecofilm not only not because it is
24:11
cheap but because it is ecological ecological ok and the results are really good Ditto for the p30 the p30
24:19
with a super Grain 1 +1 with an ecofilm 1
24:25
più1 has a medium-low contrast and with the desired hydren with the hydropan with the
24:33
idrofast is higher Ok Let's say that with this version we call it revisited
24:40
of the p30 Let's say that even the most suitable hydrate for p30 Ok Always
24:48
all dilution 1 + 31 always at dilution 1 + 31 also 1 + 50 but this now is not that Dov
24:55
However, we have done all the tests of these skins with what is the
25:00
classic development from test which is the d76 of the tail d76 of the tail which is the
25:06
reference development for all film companies and we have seen that even of 76 gives some
25:15
Excellent results therefore we do not want how to say to make the Paladins of the
25:21
companies that I represent but let's say that third-party developments are also
25:28
absolutely suitable the tables you can find the tables the tables we are finishing them because now having the
25:34
the revision that is, having the p33 the reinterpretation of the p30 and the Orto now
25:39
we are updating the tables and these will be let's say
25:44
At the beginning we will propose them in the form of A4 technical sheets so this
25:50
kind though and also in PDF on the PDF sit on the site But there is the intention to do
25:57
of the real own data sheets because it is right that the user can see the cards there as they say
26:04
the characteristic curves can see the spectral sensitivity and can judge
26:09
and also apply the possible use of filters according to the type of emulsion
26:17
Here here we do not forget the p33 currently on January 27th
26:25
2024 that this film in particular does not accept the code of
26:32
X Exact It doesn't have the code the coding of X will have it in the future but it doesn't have it right now So
26:39
what happens manual machines there is no problem it can stay
...
[goes on to discuss lack of DX Coding for P33, for now...]

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I appreciate the spectral graphs (even though it's hard to see the nm numbers...). I could see for P30, sensitivity out to 650nm. I find that really hard to believe, considering how dark P30 renders red, compared to HP5, which also is sensitised out to 650nm. According the the graphs, P30 has more of a dip entering the greens, than P33. I want to try P33, to see if it's shorter toe (slightly shorter), long, and considerably less steep straight line section. I guess I'll have to just sit and wait for it to become available again...

 

[pentaxuser]

runswithsizzers, your post #45 seems perfectly clear to me If you don't speak Italian try rewatching the Godfather trilogy - worked for me

pentaxuser

 

[runswithsizzers]

runswithsizzers, your post #45 seems perfectly clear to me If you don't speak Italian try rewatching the Godfather trilogy - worked for me

pentaxuser

I should probably watch the Godfather movies some day, but in the meantime...

My interpretations are rough guesswork, but here is what I got out of it:
- P33 has just been released for sale (Jan 27, 2024?), but not a lot of it, so expect limited availablity
- Ferrania may be suggesting a pre-soak for these films - I am assuming "23 minutes" means "two-to-three minutes" and not "twenty-three minutes"?
- They claim good results as tested in several developers, specifically mentioning: Rollei Supergrain, Bellini EcoFilm (Xtol-type), Bellini Hydrofen, And D-76, but they say, "third-party developments are also absolutely suitable"
- Tables of development times for Ferrania films are being updated
- they plan to provide something like proper data sheets which they want to be available on their website
- This first release of P33 will not be in DX coded cassettes, but future runs will be DX coded

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I should probably watch the Godfather movies some day, but in the meantime...

My interpretations are rough guesswork, but here is what I got out of it:
- P33 has just been released for sale (Jan 27, 2024?), but not a lot of it, so expect limited availablity
- Ferrania may be suggesting a pre-soak for these films - I am assuming "23 minutes" means "two-to-three minutes" and not "twenty-three minutes"?
- They claim good results as tested in several developers, specifically mentioning: Rollei Supergrain, Bellini EcoFilm (Xtol-type), Bellini Hydrofen, And D-76, but they say, "third-party developments are also absolutely suitable"
- Tables of development times for Ferrania films are being updated
- they plan to provide something like proper data sheets which they want to be available on their website
- This first release of P33 will not be in DX coded cassettes, but future runs will be DX coded

I tested this claim that a pre-wash with P30 is beneficial, and stuck it in a video a while back. Someone even stated that a pre-wash improves speed. I could not see any benefits nor speed increase. I used Thornton's 2-Bath, which gives excellent results. I expect the same with Orto and P33.

 

[Roger Cole]

I tested this claim that a pre-wash with P30 is beneficial, and stuck it in a video a while back. Someone even stated that a pre-wash improves speed. I could not see any benefits nor speed increase. I used Thornton's 2-Bath, which gives excellent results. I expect the same with Orto and P33.

I don't know about Thornton's as I've never used it, but I have used Diafine a LOT over the years, and they specifically warn against pre-soaking. The claim is that soaking water into the emulsion will limit the amount of developing agent in bath A that's absorbed. I can't say if it really makes a difference as I never tried it - manufacturer says not to pre-soak, I don't, and it works as it's supposed to so why try it? But the theory sounds logical so it might be that a pre-soak could limit speed / effectively reduce development with any two bath developer. Worth a shot both ways?