Yes, and AMPLIS is the Canadian Distributor, (who proably mutters under their breath at all the Ilford Stuff that comes into Canada from the States.)I believe Roberts is the USA distributor for Ilford (Harman), Indianapolis isn't much of a drive
At this rate we won't break 1500 before this is official.
How's everyone's Spanish? Mine's bad enough to probably misunderstand most of this.
Here is what my phone translate is for the first paragraph:
As we told you in this week's Analog News, Harman, the company that makes the Ilford brand film, is going to launch a new color negative film made 100% in the United Kingdom. It will be called Harman Phoenix and it will be ISO 200.
How's everyone's Spanish? Mine's bad enough to probably misunderstand most of this.
I got the impression that the cards went out to influencers on Instagram, TikTok etc rather than camera stores. I doubt if many of the UK’s camera stores are social media influencers (I live in the UK) and some of the big UK brands are 4x5 / 8x10 cameras or other things where there’s unlikely to be a tie in (e.g, Solarcan)
I really hope I can get a few rolls of Phoenix on December 1.
In my case, I'm evidently at least willing to pay the premium at least once to see what the buzz is about, but the film will have to offer something useful to me in order to repeat my purchase. I don't see that happening very easily.
I second that. The price point seems to be high for what the competition offers. Let's hope we will not be disappointed.
The Harman billboard with its funky colors and the description "limited edition" may have a lots of collectors readying their wallets for this film. Once this settles down, prices may go anywhere dependent on actual performance of this film.
I second that. The price point seems to be high for what the competition offers. Let's hope we will not be disappointed.
How realistic do you think that is at the moment?
If Harman would compete with already perfect(ly boring) Fuji 200/Gold 200/ColorPlus 200 they would have to price Phoenix 200 below their cheapest Ilford BW film. How realistic do you think that is at the moment?
Eh? Last time I checked, which was 10 minutes ago, all the Ilford B&W film except Delta 3200 (and that depends where you buy it) is cheaper than Kodak Gold or Ultramax.
How realistic do you think it is to provide a technically inferior product, priced at what a technically exceptional product costs? I mean long term, not short term, novelty item kind of thing. 15€/£ is Portra and Ektar territory.
So that's how we now get back to where we once started, which was my argument why I believed it would be unlikely they'd get into the color business. I didn't see a way to do that successfully, at least not in classic/old-fashioned terms where they would put out a qualitatively competitive product. It may (probably will) work in a "hipster" kind of sense where you pay for the uniqueness of the product, even though its objective quality is not up to par.
Let's see how the initial samples are out to be. I love Ilford Harman and support them in B&W, hoping their Color offering can be a good choice with time. But again, as it has been discussed earlier in this forum, manufacturing a Color film of equivalent quality to what Kodak-Fuji offer in the consumer level (Colorplus, Fujicolor c200) is a milestone and quite a big project.How realistic do you think it is to provide a technically inferior product, priced at what a technically exceptional product costs? I mean long term, not short term, novelty item kind of thing. 15€/£ is Portra and Ektar territory.
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