Andrew O'Neill
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Yes true, but we are not Americans... as far as paddling away, plate tectonics is taking care of that!
I know, part of the region where I was born is getting away to the American side. The other side is walking slowly to Europe.Yes true, but we are not Americans... as far as paddling away, plate tectonics is taking care of that!
Ron.Ricardo, you are going to ruffle a lot of feathers with your comment over "plain English" and "American English". To native speakers, there is little to no difference except for the spelling of a few words and some idioms which are not often used here.
As for pro and consumer films, there was an extensive discussion over these films and their features even within the groups doing R&D.
PE
"Outdated" is sort of the wrong word regarding our use of the original Ferrania recipes. Is grandma's recipe for chocolate cake outdated? Probably not - but maybe she used lard where we would now use a less artery-clogging substitute. More accurately, grandma's CAKE, not the recipe, may be dependent on the type of oven and bakeware she used. But grandma can only make one cake at a time in her own kitchen. The "same" cake would obviously be different if she were baking 10,000 of them in an industrial kitchen.
Using this analogy, the old Ferrania only produced the 10,000 cakes, but we're using grandma's recipe (with no lard) and grandma's kitchen!
At this point, I'm not sure what our precision coater can imprint on the film. I suspect it's not as sophisticated as the big coater - but you raise a good point and I'm going to ask the factory team about it!
Could I suggest to you to use plain English instead of American English language, please?
Im pretty sure the film markings, frame numberings, DX codes etc are all done during the conversion process, I think this is actually done around the same time as the film is perforated. It is not done during the coating AFAIK, and it uses a light that is shone through a mask that contains the specific markings, in turn, exposing this on the film that will show after processing.
It's probably now a good time to point out that we think these distinctions are antiquated and really just pointless.
In yesteryear, it was of course prudent for film companies to have top-quality "pro" films that were sold primarily in proper camera shops, and lesser-quality "consumer" films that were sold in grocery stores and big-box retailers at a much lower price point...
Our films will be the best we can produce at all times. You can't really call it "pro" because pros only rarely shoot film these days. And you certainly can't call it "consumer" because that market was swallowed by smartphones. I'm generalizing, of course, but this is the reality as we see it.
I know that our factory team is eager to put Ferrania's consumer-focused past behind us and to show off what they can really do...
Thats all good, TBH, it was not something I knew alot about myself until Wittner-cinetec told me all about how they did it with their new machineThis makes sense. Your question is obviously past the limits of my direct knowledge because I've simply never asked the Italian team about that part of the process.
Well "professional" films not only had different storage requirements/shelf life, but most have different qualities, for example portra is designed for portrait photography, enhancing skin tones etc. In saying that, i love it for regular everyday shooting, and you can tell a noticeable difference in colour and grain with my scans when compared to regular kodak max or kodak gold for example. Of course this does not mean that a film is crap at all if its not a "professional" film.Pretty much everything made today is professional grade. I know Fuji and Kodak still produce some cheap color negative film, that I'm sure works well for the market(s) it serves. We may not have as much to choose from as 15 years ago. I've had great results from Ilford, Kodak, Fuji, Foma, still others yet to try.
I'm really excited about the Ferrania project, passion is at the heart of all great things. The passion and endurance of the Ferrania team is second to none. I am eager to get my hands on the product, but like Grandma's cookies we have to wait until it's just right.
Best Regards Mike
I'm not a native English speaker. I know there's a difference between British English and American English, and I understand both equally well. I can't necessarily identify a phrase as either American or British.
(I once had the pleasure of overhearing a Brit and an American explain the meaning of the phrase "I'm wearing pants and suspenders" to each other.)
Depending on the quality of our in-house stockpile of base (all of which must be hand-checked inch by inch), we may need to purchase from IPI for the short term as well. But eventually, we will put "Trixie" online and make our own.
"Outdated" is sort of the wrong word regarding our use of the original Ferrania recipes. Is grandma's recipe for chocolate cake outdated? Probably not - but maybe she used lard where we would now use a less artery-clogging substitute.
I think I'm going to ask Foma to put a "Professional" label on their films and see what is the reaction.
Anyway, I myself would have considered most slide films such as scotchchrome as a "professional" film, especially seeing that Ferrania had achieved speeds as high as ISO800 (correct me if im wrong?) which i believe was the fastest E6 film ever produced.
There is only one Fomapan 100 as Miha already stated.Foma does make "professional" version of the Fomapan 100 / 400 films. That's why the consumer version says "classic"
https://fomaobchod.cz/inshop/catalogue/products/thumbs/F100 sv Profess k.jpg
But usually the "professional" versions of such films are very similar to the "consumer" version, only the professional being pre-aged to a consistent tone balance, exposure index, etc. Except, of course, in films that were very different, such as Tri-X Professional 320 versus Tri-X 400.
I agree with Dave Bias in that today it is very misleading to call film "professional" versus "consumer", since pros went digital and consumers went cell-phone-with-lots-of-filter-to-make-your-face-look-plastic.
Thanks!Different packaging only I presume. On the classic there is "Profi line" wording as well:https://www.nordfoto.de/media/images/org/foma101.jpg
And in the process perhaps Trixie might be profitable on its own as a source of base material for other film manufacturers!
Agree with you! You know, if Kodak somehow revived the old (80s) Plus-X and the old (70s) Panatomic-X, probably everybody will be rushing to buy those OLD, OUTDATED (heh heh heh) recipes!!
Well scotchchrome was a fairly recent formula, it was made until the early 2000's.You would have to expect all of the deficits those older emulsions would bring with them to the product(s).
PE
I have no problems understanding anything on ferrania's site.Hi Ricardo,
I would never pretend to communicate in anything but my native language. I'm not sure I even understand the distinctions between "plain English" and "American English."
At the same time, I do not assume every word I write is universally understood, and so if anything I write is unclear or otherwise obscured by Americanisms, please don't hesitate to ask for clarification.
At some point in the distant future, we will be able to support the software and staff necessary to deliver multilingual communications. Our Italian backers and followers are most certainly eager for that day, as am I.
I agree with Dave Bias in that today it is very misleading to call film "professional" versus "consumer", since pros went digital and consumers went cell-phone-with-lots-of-filter-to-make-your-face-look-plastic.
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