Minolta (Maxxum/Alpha) 9000 AF: Removal of the mirrorbox/assembly, investigating the aperture issue, replacing the sticky damper in the shutter unit

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The flexible circuit board.


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View from the back.


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All removed parts from left to right.
 

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Hello Andreas!
The next step is to find out which parts need to be removed or desoldered so that the front panel can be removed.
Great report of a good work!

If I had enough money for my living in retirement I'd probably stop doing repair jobs for other people, and would probably do the same like you.
 
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Hello Andreas!
Great report of a good work!

If I had enough money for my living in retirement I'd probably stop doing repair jobs for other people, and would probably do the same like you.

Thank you, Michael!

I was able to follow up to this point, but then I gave up on the further disassembly steps because I had never seen anything so complex and intricate.

Folded circuit paths, multi-level mechanical devices, cables, screws, small parts, unbelievable!

I changed my plan, gave up the idea of reassembling this camera and went looking for the photointerruptor to examine it.

In doing so, I worked my way up, partly destructively, to removing the front panel.
 
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Main units separated

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Upper flexible circuit board, prism, eyepiece, front panel with mirror box and back panel with shutter.

Many parts that I removed, especially on the top of the camera, are not visible here.


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The shutter mechanism and aperture control to the right of the mirror box.


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The shutter unit.


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The AF motor and part of the unfolded flexible circuit board.


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The mirror mechanism on the left side of the mirror box. Below it is the AF motor.


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The photointerruptor (encoder) as part of the AF and aperture control.


I didn't notice anything wrong with the photointerrupter, it can be turned, but not as easily as on the Nikon F4. The question is whether it has to be turned as easily on the 9000.

I couldn't figure out how AF and aperture control work, so I wouldn't know where to look for a fault.

I have never seen such a complex camera, the closest one is the Canon T90.



Conclusion
  • The Minolta (Maxxum) 9000 is a technical masterpiece. Whoever thought up and designed this camera was a genius, a team of geniuses.
  • It is possible to take it apart. But since there are no step-by-step instructions, you have to work your way through it at random to get to the point where you can separate the front and back parts. But this is the only way to get to the aperture control and shutter.
  • Meticulous documentation is required for this and is a project in itself.
  • The reason for the aperture not working here remains a mystery.
  • At least I have no assignment here. This camera is far beyond my control 😌

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If you find a fix for the aperture problems, I will certainly be eternally grateful. It is my favorite camera body of all time, but all three of mine are broken now.
I'm sorry I couldn't help here, but maybe someone else would like to try.

Please, if you get to this project, take a trillion diassembly pictures for us! It's a supremely complex beast, and there is very little information available about diassembly/reassembly.

I documented what I could understand. When I tried to remove the flexible circuit board, I lost track of things. Therefore, further documentation no longer made sense.

If you haven't seen it already, the best guide I've found so far is this one (in german). The service manual with parts list and exploded diagrams is also available, but it's... intense.

I don't see the problem as being that things are impossible when disassembling. But you do need to be willing to work through it, perhaps for days. And then the question is where to look for the error.

Putting it back together is probably the hardest part.
 
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I'll post photos of the disassembly of individual components, perhaps useful for other people's work.

But I'll definitely come back to the 9000! ⚔️
 
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Further disassembly - pictures and notes

Here are details of how I further disassembled the 9000.

Unfortunately I lost track and patience with the flexible circuit board on the top, as the structure is very complex.

You have to fight your way through here to get to the screw connection of the front panel so that you can remove it to get access to shutter and mirrorbox with AF motor and aperture control.

When reassembling, both parts must be coupled correctly. Dirk Münchgesang provides tips on this in his article on APHOG (German):




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Removing the bayonet ring.


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Positions of the AF/MF clutch.


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Be careful, there is a spring-driven lever that engages a pin. The assembly is loose.


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Positions of spring and pin.


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Reinstallation


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To remove the bayonet cover, set the AF/MF coupling to „AF“.


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The silver button in the middle unlocks the lens.


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Screws for the grip.


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Looking into the battery compartment, these two screws fix the circuit board to the grip.


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The left screw is secured by a nut (arranged for demonstration), and this switch is located in between.


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Releasing a clamp that holds two flexible circuit board parts together.


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After desoldering the battery cables (thick, red and black), the grip with the battery compartment is free.


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An overview of the grip's fastening screws.


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I don't have any photos of the removal of the flexible circuit board on the top and the disassembly of the structures and the prism, as I was partly destructive here.



I assume that the assembly of the 9000 was done by hand. Organizing that is just as ingenious.

Good luck to everyone who works on this camera!


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Well, I guess any thoughts I had that I could open my defective body up are now put to rest. I don't see how I ever put it back together. And the 9000 does not have an integrated motor drive or pop up flash. I wonder how it compares to a Minolta 9 or 7.
 

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Thanks for the excellent photos! I still plan on opening one of mine up eventually, but I'm 99.9% sure that opening it is a one-way trip...

When reading the few posts about the Minolta aperture problems, many people blamed it on a problem with the electromagnet that holds the aperture ring in place. They use vague wording, though, like "the magnets get dirty and stop working." It's not really clear if anyone successfully fixed it, or if it really had anything to do with magnets. I would assume that means the lever arm that the magnet is mounted on needs lubrication, rather than a problem with the magnet itself, but who knows?
 

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The issue with my non working body is that the cameras does not read the lens, as if no lens attached. As this happens regardless of the lens attached it can only be the body is not reading the lens. I've cleaned the contacts, no help.
 
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I have read that the problem with the dirty shutter curtains may only affect certain series.

The cause of the aperture problem is still undiscovered, it could be a mechanical (lubrication), electronic (contacts) or electromagnetic problem.

You would have to read the very informative service manual, which goes into detail about the individual components.

Disassembling and reassembling the 9000 is definitely possible, but certainly not a one-day project.

With the flexible circuit board on the top, I failed in particular because of conductor tracks that went into the housing and which I could not reach. With patience and precise documentation, however, you should be able to make progress here.

I still have 9000s as candidates here, I will definitely come back to them.

The only thing left to do is to look around for working 9000s. Since I have three good ones and one completely untouched one that I still have to test, there should be a good chance of finding a working 9000.

However, sellers should be given instructions beforehand on how to test the aperture (see this thread).

It is definitely worth opening up a broken 9000, even if you don't want to repair it.

It is certainly one of the last SLRs that shows an impressive interplay of individual mechanical and electronic components. In the subsequent Dynax it will probably look much tidier. As already mentioned, the large number of cleverly installed individual parts is an experience.
 
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Hello Andreas

Impressive contribution, especially the skill shown in disassembling such a fragile camera, incredible that those of us who knew it existed never thought it was. This camera was used by John Hedgecoe, a British photographer who passed away some years ago. I liked to read his books, of which I still have some in the Spanish edition. He also used the Pentax LX, he was never a Nikon fan, much less a Canon fan. The inside of the Maxxum 9000 is surprising.

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Impressive contribution, especially the skill shown in disassembling such a fragile camera, incredible that those of us who knew it existed never thought it was.

Thank you!

This camera is a masterpiece of precision engineering and electronics. The organization behind assembly and quality control must have been great too.

Disassembling is the smaller problem, the challenge is figuring out the order in which it makes sense to do it and the documentation for assembly. I quickly reached my limits here.
 

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minolta 9000AF with the mirror box and other parts removed. i was using that lens as a handle to hold it, which put pressure on the aperture lever enough that things did sound like they sprung out of place on removal. but that wasnt so much the case

I managed to repair the aperture on one of these and holy moly that was hard work. To try get to the point quickly – i'm not sure how I specifically fixed it.

aperture control mechanism removed from the mirror box. the way it appears to work is that when the mirror flips up, the green electromagnet is energized and holds that white lever in the middle up away from the chopper wheel (optical encoder), then the black electromagnet is energized which sends the mechanism moving. then once it's determined its moved enough, the green electromagnet is released and the white lever catches into a pawl and halts the movement. my best guess on the fault i had with this one is the black electromagnet could never release due to sticky fouling on its surfaces. they can be tested with about 2-3 volts from a power supply. no idea how much they use in actual use

I disassembled it enough to remove the mirror box, shutter, and aperture control assembly from the mirror box. Then I cleaned the 3 electromagnet surfaces with an isopropanol slip of paper, after which I reassembled things mostly following steps in the service manual available on archive.org

Then the rest of the camera was re-assembled, cleaning any contacts along the way with isopropanol. I'm skipping over alot of details... but in terms of what I did that could've fixed the aperture, the only 3 things I can think of are either:

1) the surfaces of the magnets were sticky with oil or something and not releasing (I read a post somewhere a while ago claiming this to be the common cause of fault).

2) some dirty contacts were causing issues.

3) something had jumped out of place or gotten misaligned, and was reset during the reassembly.

photo of the working camera, with the aperture stopped part way. that handgrip was rebuilt with sugru and not completely perfect, but i've learned from past mistakes in that I should really just accept good enough with that stuff.

Either way I guess it is repairable, but we'll see if it lasts or if I caused any new problems I haven't noticed yet.


To go into more detail though: I think the camera wasn't as unpleasant to disassemble as it initially seemed... it was just time consuming. The service manual is pretty good with a step-by-step on how to reassemble most things (even if there's some guesswork from the awful scan quality) and gears that need to mesh together have markings to aid alignment. Some steps can still be fiddly but it didn't feel like there was a huge risk of breaking, bending, or losing alignment with parts as compared to other cameras. I could've taken more photos to keep track of where all the wires go though. Searching for teardown photos is how I found this thread!

The service manual suggests you don't need to remove the top PCB and as many parts as I did to remove the mirror box, but I was struggling to get the thing out since there was a little bit of adhesive sticking them together that felt like a screw i'd missed.

shutter part disassembled. another trick to getting this back together was using a tiny bit of tape to hold that black wafer on the left in place. im wondering at this point if theres a way to reach the electromagnets inside that thing to clean those too...

So the other major fault with these cameras seems to be the rubber buffers in the shutter turning to slime and fouling the curtains. I feel a fairly deep disassembly is maybe a good idea regardless of the state of the aperture.

photo of the old rubber bumpers along with the new ones reinstalled. cleaning the old slime off was done with lighter fluid and isopropanol on cotton swabs and slips of paper between the leaves. these things are harder to damage than i'd assume from how thin they are. i guess its cuz titanium

The shutter was opened while it was cocked and the old bumpers were replaced with ones cut from 1mm rubber sheet. I got some scraps of the stuff from when a neighbor was having their roof repaired.

The tricky part of reassembling this was that one spring jumping out of place, and the best way I found to get that back in was leave the hook part disengaged when reassembling, then firing the shutter after putting the screws back in to move the hole closer to the edge for easier access, but it's still a bit of a fiddle.

the tiny viewfinder LCD. as far as im aware these ones dont tend to bleed, and id assume the missing segments problem is just from the old conductive adhesive degrading

The other problem I had with this camera was missing segments on the viewfinder LCD. The plan was to swap the part from a different camera (that has an IC failure, I think) but while cleaning the adhesive off of this one all the segments looked like they were working (they kinda activate from current from your body or something).

The only solvent I had that could remove that adhesive was acetone, but wiping the surface of the LCD started to dissolve the stuck on polarizing film so just keep it to the contacts.

It was reassembled with the bare cleaned gold pads in place and a 0.3mm thick strip of rubber placed on top of that, between the flex PCB and the metal retaining stuff, to try even the pressure out. I'd guess the original conductive adhesive was there to aid in assembly but I could easily be wrong. There's repair steps in the service manual but I didn't find them particularly clear.

Also I swapped the other LCD with a slightly better one from a spare camera but that wasn't too difficult.

But yeah after some gaffes with reassembly, like finding out i'd gotten the grey wire between that 3 layer stack of PCBs on the right, mangling the autofocus/ manual switch by assembling it in the wrong position, and battery corrosion in the handgrip having made the shutter button always on, I managed to get it back together with no screws left over. Now I gotta actually run some film through it.

beloved box. kinda glad to get this stuff out the way since that box was haunting me from its shelf for almost the whole year. ive been getting through a bunch of half-finished projects this year but not really the ones i SHOULD be working on...

Last year I bought that 2nd broken 9000AF to possibly use for spares, but mainly to disassemble it and see if it was possible to reach the aperture without messing up a bunch of adjustments. After getting the covers off I lost interest though... a mix of getting a fright with all the origami PCBs and feeling more excited about Prakticas at the time. Keeping track of screw locations by taping them to paper doodles is nice just for how you can shove it all in a box if you need a break.

photo of a different aperture control assembly. compare it with the photo above!

After a year i'd forgotten the camera had deeper electronic faults, probably caused by leaked batteries, and was pretty excited spotting a spring that'd jumped off of its sear. Like it seemed a pretty blatant solution to the problem... and it wasn't till I saw that blinking F-- error again after careful reassembly over a couple days that I remembered. But it might suggest multiple causes of aperture failures besides the sticky magnets.

photo of the camera reassembled. i gotta admit these photos i took weren't super great. i tend to sort of take them in a hurry with the phone camera more to aid reassembly. ive got 100s of out of focus close-up photos of parts from all angles but i tend to forget to take overview photos of progress and such

But yeah, I'm pretty excited to now have a working one of these stupid lumps – they're cool cameras! Or rather, i'm excited to know these common faults are repairable. I was pacing around last year considering spending more money than I had on a confirmed working one, but knowing that it'd be at risk of turning into a pumpkin at any moment I figured i'd never feel like I truly owned it or could rely on it unless it was something I could keep working.
 

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Great work!

How did you document the individual steps and how long did the project take?

Thanks! The date stamps on the photos suggest it was about a week with the two cameras after getting back to it. I was taking alot of breaks/ calling it a day between what felt like major steps since I find it exhausting going long stretches of being cautious to not put a finger through the shutter or avoid having unknown parts drop out. I also spent a while trying to figure out how the mechanism worked to try spot anything obviously wrong with it.

To document stuff it's mostly just taping the screws and small parts to doodled diagrams on thick paper to keep track of their locations, and I've recently started trying to name the assemblies since the doodles aren't always super clear or necessary. Along with rotating parts around and taking a ton of bad bracketed phone photos - the hope being to catch the locations of the washers and springs that inevitably escape.

kapton tape sticks kinda poorly to paper.
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But I gotta admit with this thing I probably wouldn't have figured it out without the service manual, since that has the steps on getting the aperture control thing back in place with the right timing.
 
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I am impressed by the effort you have put into this.

Your filing system for the individual parts, including labeling, is a project in itself.

I would like to learn something from it for my own projects, including patience.

Also I should have taken a closer look at the service manual; my experience is that there are rarely detailed instructions for non-service personnel. Mostly there are condensed information for specialists who are already familiar with the processes, but of course not tutorials.
 
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If I could wish for something for Christmas, it would be a tutorial on how to repair the aperture control of the Minolta 9000.

That would be a pioneering achievement for all fans of this wonderful SLR!

Maybe Santa Claus will suggest that you write it. He himself cannot 🙃🎄
 

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I am impressed by the effort you have put into this.

Your filing system for the individual parts, including labeling, is a project in itself.

I would like to learn something from it for my own projects, including patience.

Also I should have taken a closer look at the service manual; my experience is that there are rarely detailed instructions for non-service personnel. Mostly there are condensed information for specialists who are already familiar with the processes, but of course not tutorials.

Thanks again! I wouldn't say i've got a ton of patience but maybe more a sense of when to take a break, lol. I said it already but keeping track of the screws in that manner does make it easy to pack something away if it's overstaying its welcome or feeling like more effort than it's worth. Also yeah that service manual has alot of pages of stuff that doesn't seem all that useful (not without all the fancy testing setups) and my eyes sure glazed over the first few times trying to skim through it. I only noticed the page on resetting and testing the aperture looking through it again in desperation. It becomes a little easier to read when you can start recognizing the parts its referring to.

I'd hesitate to try writing a step by step tutorial because i'm still not convinced I did a good job yet. I've had alot of bad luck with being able to get something working again but only temporarily till a new problem shows up or old ones return. Currently i'm getting a bit frustrated with accessories for the camera being highly temperamental too. It's hard to tell if its the accessories or the camera itself... or maybe even the batteries...
 
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