When I bought stuff from Japan, the duties were covered in the Paypal bill. Why couldn't the tariffs be covered just as the shipping, VAT, and other costs are? The seller just adds all the costs together, including the tariffs, and that becomes their selling price.
Maybe Kumar can educate us on how he intends to handle selling from China and Japan to America and elsewhere.
Yes the B&H increases are more concerning to me than the tariffs themselves, given that the increases are greater than the rate of the tariff, and that they've also increased the price of Tri-X to match (both films previously sat at $8.99/135-36 and now both films are $9.99/135-36). To me this implies the use of tariffs as an excuse to increase profits. The optimist in me wants to believe that other retailers will find competitive advantage to more "honest," for lack of a better word, price adjustments.
Aren’t import duty the responsibility of the importer, not the exporters? Aren’t the duty amounts computed by the customs authority of the importers country based on the customs declaration provided by the exporters?
How/why would a seller/exporter either be informed of the correct amount or remit it to the government entity that is not theirs? That had me baffled when a seller announced , relatively recently, a need for price hikes due to US tariff increases.
PayPal/ebay appears is working on behalf of the buyer/importer (you and me) and has both the exact duty knowledge from the customs clearance process and ability to remit those funds.
You're assuming the worst of B&H, that they're dishonest, which isn't fair. I've always found them ethical in my dealings with them. In any case, competition determines the final price in the market place. A seller is kidding themselves that they'll fool the public over the long term. That doesn't work if others are not including tariffs to fake the selling prices.
Absolutely Brian.... for example not everything is done by Paypal.
How then are the tariffs going to find their way to the government of the importer....
Alan, that's why ports & airports have customs offices....to collect the duties/tariffs due to the government of the importer.
I believe just like with Sales Taxes for even US domestic sales which vary by state, PayPal collects and processes from the sales price and would redistribute the tariff calculated in the sales to the federal government as they would do to each state for the state sales tax portion.Aren’t import duty the responsibility of the importer, not the exporters? Aren’t the duty amounts computed by the customs authority of the importers country based on the customs declaration provided by the exporters?
How/why would a seller/exporter either be informed of the correct amount or remit it to the government entity that is not theirs? That had me baffled when a seller announced , relatively recently, a need for price hikes due to US tariff increases.
PayPal/ebay appears is working on behalf of the buyer/importer (you and me) and has both the exact duty knowledge from the customs clearance process and ability to remit those funds.
I agree, and B&H has been my main supplier for years, so I bear no ill will there. Yet I can see no other reason for the sudden jumps.
I do not believe they will stick as such long-term in a competitive marketplace, for the same reasons you mention.
I believe just like with Sales Taxes for even US domestic sales which vary by state, PayPal collects and processes from the sales price and would redistribute the tariff calculated in the sales to the federal government as they would do to each state for the state sales tax portion.
eBay would handle tariffs similarly within their billing and pay the Federal government directly as they now pay each state its sales tax. Do not know how a private seller in Japan or a company would directly do this so the US customer doesn't have to pay the tariff separately.
WHAT? CANADA HAS CHEAP EGGS??? I'M COMING!!!
When I bought stuff from Japan, the duties were covered in the Paypal bill. Why couldn't the tariffs be covered just as the shipping, VAT, and other costs are? The seller just adds all the costs together, including the tariffs, and that becomes their selling price.
I believe just like with Sales Taxes for even US domestic sales which vary by state, PayPal collects and processes from the sales price and would redistribute the tariff calculated in the sales to the federal government as they would do to each state for the state sales tax portion.
Actually, sales tax can vary from county to county with additional sales tax at city level.eBay would handle tariffs similarly within their billing and pay the Federal government directly as they now pay each state its sales tax. Do not know how a private seller in Japan or a company would directly do this so the US customer doesn't have to pay the tariff separately.
Harman's largest market is in the USA.
So disruption in USA markets is not going to help.
As I understand it, some of the Ilford branded chemicals are now being made in the USA, and some of the constituent components probably originate outside the USA, so anything is possible.
There can be any number of reasons for the price increase including but not limited to new stock at a different wholesale price, increase in shipping costs, increase in business costs or wages.....
But none of that has anything to do with your question in post 349 that taxes (of any kind) owed by a buyer to their government(s) can be wrapped into the final sale price by a SELLER/exporter. Yes, ebay can do that as a broker/middle-man but not the SELLER.
Alan your assumption is based on Ebay/Paypal..... but many international camera purchases are made through direct contact with shops and payments made by credit card or bank transfer....this particularly applies to vintage sales.
When you impose tariffs, you need to create a method to collect them.
Any smart distributor will buy as much as is realistic when the cost is favorable.
In general, yes. But given the timing, other specifics (such as both films being increased or the discrepancy with other retailers), and lack of another explanation IE a press release warning of an approaching manufacturing cost, as Harman usually does, I do find it to be the most likely motivation.
You can ascribe it a more virtuous description such as "positioning to weather market uncertainty" if you like.
FWIW Adorama increased the price for HP5 but left Tri-X at $8.99.
What do people do today when buying from private sellers or companies directly?
So that's the reason the markets are up 2500 points! Investors see light at the end of the dark tunnel. I believe the 10% remains, just the individual tariffs were removed except for China..Any smart distributor will buy as much as is realistic when the cost is favorable. B&H seems to have done that with MGWT last year, one of the favorite papers (whether they have any profit on that particular item or not, I cannot say). I bought a box of 16X20 earlier this year at reduced pricing. They've since raised it about $30, whereas less popular Cooltone was already raised more the $100 higher, and is now completely out of stock. I wish they'd make a large volume purchase of that too.
A number of nations have just been granted a 90-day reprieve on tariffs, impending negotiations. I hope that includes the UK, giving places like B&H a chance themselves to buy as much Ilford product as they can at at least somewhat favorable pricing. But it's the sheer unpredictable nature of all this, and the person behind it, which makes things so difficult for distributor buying decisions. One can be damned if they do stock up at a certain point, or damned if they don't.
Absolutely. Yet there is still variability in retail sales, where some sellers price based on what they paid for the specific item we are buying and others "commodity price" and declare that the goods are worth current value no matter what they originally paid.
ADDITIONALSo that's the reason the markets are up 2500 points! Investors see light at the end of the dark tunnel. I believe the 10% remains, just the individual tariffs were removed except for China..
I understand. Once I bought something in the Caribbean while vacationing there, to be shipped home to NY, and had to go to JFK airport where the US Postal System customs was located to pick it up when I paid the import duties. What a day wasted. That's the advantage of using ebay/Paypal now. What do people do today when buying from private sellers or companies directly?
But none of that has anything to do with your question in post 349 that taxes (of any kind) owed by a buyer to their government(s) can be wrapped into the final sale price by a SELLER/exporter. Yes, ebay can do that but not the SELLER.
The seller fills out a customs declaration describing the item and value, and then the customs officials determines the duty and bill us for payment before the item is delivered. See the last sentence of post 364. That's one way. The other is to use an import broker. The other is to deal directly with US (for example) Customs. These systems has been in place for a very long time. The only thing changing now are the tax rates (tariffs) and de minimus exclusion clause
Not everything in the world is on Ebay or can be paid for by Paypal....
Credit cards, bank transfers.......
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