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I don't think this is tariff-related, as Fujifilm announced a price increase is film on 1st April (not an April Fool's joke) of 31-52% for colour transparency film. https://www.fujirumors.com/fujiifil...-change-and-price-increase-of-film-announced/ .
A similar large increase was announced a year ago as well, and these things take time to work their way through the system.
I like Fujifilm both Provia and Velvia ... they are very different from each other ... and will keep buying them, because expensive film is better than no film at all. For us in the EU, Ektachrome is still more expensive.
Unfortunately, Fuji dropped Velvia 50 in large format size 4x5 and larger. Don;t know about Provia?
It was inevitable, Fuji slide film was cheaper than Kodak for a while now. April 1st price increase will close that gap. And then some
US Tariffs will make it even more expensive than Kodak's in the US; not so much for you in Europe.
I wanna say "my heart goes out to you", but that would get my post deleted
Anyway, be happy that Kodak film won't get nearly as expensive for you than for folks in EU. Real Fuji film is/was basically unavailable anyway...
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Color sheet film has gone up astronomically anyway, especially 8x10. Glad I have a good stash of it already in the freezer. Roll film is something I have to frequently re-buy. I only keep about half a year at a time of that in the freezer or shelf, and it's predominantly Kodak.
too many things to ponder. I did buy some film from Fotoimpex in feb thinking better to be safe than sorry. Like a lot of you guys, I have frozen Fuji slide film and look forward to shooting it. but what is going to happen to the price of chems? will it become much more expensive to buy? its bad enough having to pay more to ship the chems that the purchase price. and then there's the local labs. are they going to be able to get the chems as well? will we be paying $20+ a roll to develop (my local lab is $6.25 for 120 and 8.50 for 35mm). I use the fuji hunt chems and I know they are imported. I can live with the tariffs, but I'm not sure I will even be able to buy them going forward. Im sure Im just worrying too much, but with all thats going on, I seem to be doing that too much. time to go out and shoot some film!
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Aren't the "Kodak" chemicals now available again in the US? In the EU we have both the E6 Bellini 6-bath and Adox 3-bath easily available (and C41 chemicals), and shipping costs are reasonable. But Provia 100f is in short supply and Ektachrome is available but more expensive (I prefer the colours of Provia).
My worry is that tariffs will create such uncertainty that manufacturers will cut their less profitable or small volume lines, so regardless of price, products will be unavailable altogether.
I hope that China starts making both film and chemicals so we can have a trustworthy partner for our photographic supplies!
I don't think Kodak has E-6 chemicals anymore. I think Fuji and Bellini are the main suppliers of the full traditional 6-bath process E-6 chemicals to both labs and individuals. CineStill has 3-bath E-6 chemicals made in the US. Arista also has 3-bath E-6 chemicals, but I don't know where they are made.
My mistake, "Kodak" (not actually Kodak) have re-launched their C41 kits (available from Cinestill in the US) and I thought I read somewhere that they intend to re-launch their 6-bath E6 kit ... but I cannot find it advertised anywhere.
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So far, nothing on E6 on the Photo Systems website: https://kodak.photosys.com/
Photo Systems are the new worldwide licensees of the Kodak brand name for still film chemicals. And so far, they are doing their own manufacturing.
Photo Systems are the new worldwide licensees of the Kodak brand name for still film chemicals. And so far, they are doing their own manufacturing.
They do appear to be who is manufacturing the 3-bath E-6 chemicals in the US. But perhaps not anything E-6 under the Kodak brand yet.
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I pre-ordered a couple bottles of Adox's newest Kodak (original) re-issue, Pro HC-110 from Freestyle, I think it's being labeled as "Syrup" in the USA to not step on PSI's territory. Not cheap, but I was tempted by the latest Silvergrain Classics praise. I use XTOL for most everything so not sure if I'll get around to using it anytime soon. 
So I think tariff should be %24?
So I think tariff should be %24?
Prediction: US analog film buyers will be heading more to Kodak/Alaris products, EU and Asian film buyers will return more to EU/UK & Asian. So there will be more products available for each in each market? So it could be pushing prices back downwards ( in the end/ as long as tarriffs hold on)?
Just my 50 cents as a non-economic.
Just my 50 cents as a non-economic.
No, because in principle, demand doesn't change. It's of course a lot more complicated because (1) demand responds to supply to an extent, through e.g. price point & willingness to pay. Also, (2) it's not just a quantitative story but a qualitative one as well - as pointed out earlier, there's no B&W paper being made in the US, so this will become more expensive for Americans due to the tariffs. Conversely, something similar may happen to color film for Europeans, given that the vast majority of color film being sold in Europe is made by Eastman Kodak in the US. Then there's of course issue #3, which is that supply chains are global, which means that US-manufactured products will likely contain components imported from abroad, and those are now subject to higher tariffs, increasing BOM cost, which will in all likelihood be reflected in the price the end user pays.
So no, your analysis doesn't hold, for the reasons outlined above as well as several additional ones. If any rule-of-thumb prediction can be made at this point, is that things will become more expensive for all of us, and especially for Americans.
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As far as I know, there is no photographic paper production in the US. So for American consumers all paper will be more expensive. Only Kodak film prices will not be effected by the tariffs. All other films will be more expensive too. For consumers outside the US, only Kodak films run the risk of being more expensive.
They probably will due to tariffs on imported materials that go into the film (and the factory that makes it) that end up being discounted in retail prices.
That would happen only if the same tariffs are applied in all the countries that make film. If the US has tariffs only, then more Americans would buy Kodak as foreign film costs more. But in the UK, for example, the prices remain the same as they were for both Kodak and British film.
We are not discussing the elephant in the room. 219 posts but we're not allowed by the Moderators to discuss the real problem!
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That is because there are many far better places to have the discussion. Feel free to use the Private Conversation function to have private Conversations of that nature, or to alert people of your preference for a different venue.
Yes but if the elephant you refer to is the cause/originator of the tariffs then as a forum we cannot even exert any influence to alter the policy in terms of analogue photography so all that results from discussing the elephant in the room is politics as defined by the mods so there really isn't any point in being allowed to discuss the real,problem, assuming I have identified what you refer to as the real problem
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I just learned a few new details about the US tariffs imposed. They're not the same in Europe across the board. US tariffs on the UK is 10% and in EU 20%. (separately, on China 54%). That changes the equations for which non-American photo products Americans will buy.
Another factor, is that China, with much less photo products sold to America due to the 54% tariff, might dump that extra film at much lower prices in other parts of the world including the UK and Continental Europe. That would cause lower domestic purchases of British and European films in the producer's countries so they can compete better with China's dumped products. I think we all have to wait to see how this all works out. It;s very convoluted.
Another factor, is that China, with much less photo products sold to America due to the 54% tariff, might dump that extra film at much lower prices in other parts of the world including the UK and Continental Europe. That would cause lower domestic purchases of British and European films in the producer's countries so they can compete better with China's dumped products. I think we all have to wait to see how this all works out. It;s very convoluted.
It is obvious you're taking sides, which is political. So, I suspect both yours and this post will soon disappear.
We only discus the FO part of the FAFO process here on Photrio. We've established that we can not agree on the FA part of the process (it's a bit like pre-soak)...
Anyway, we can discuss film all we want. If you look at your colour negatives they are orange. I think Kodak tried to warn US.
Anyway, we can discuss film all we want. If you look at your colour negatives they are orange. I think Kodak tried to warn US.
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