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Anon Ymous

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Ouch! I guess I'll keep taping my films. Or I could repurpose a paper punch? $80 is a bit too steep. 😕

Well, I just tried the paper punch and it works nicely. 🥳
I could cut the edges less generously and more square shaped, but it grabbed the hook easily.

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Just an idea. My friend uses small pieces of phosphorescent (glow in the dark) stickers to mark small objects. Especially the lids. Sometimes he distributes bulk 120 film to his acquaintances. His film cans are labeled as such. All important items, such as scissors, louder parts, could be labeled this way.

The main darkroom I freelanced in had these all over the place on such items.

We found even this moderate level of light could cause problems will excess light.

I should also remind new darkroom/changing room photographers that both florescent lights, TVs and monitors can fog papers and films, a half hour or more after being "turned off".

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Well, I just tried the paper punch and it works nicely. 🥳
I could cut the edges less generously and more square shaped, but it grabbed the hook easily.

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Thos little bits of of zagged sprockets that have been cut can and will break/tear off inside the camera, screw up feeding on a developing reel and cause unknown problems in general.

Take small shears and cutting through the middle of the next whole film sprocket so the intact sprocket hole is not cut or opened somehow, while cutting the jagged pieces into a smoother transition to your cut in curve.

You'll get better results after that.
 

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The hardest part is getting the hole centered, which isn't particularly hard anyway. Then you cut the edges at the end of the sprocket hole just below the hole you punched at a right angle, not like I did at the first image. Pass the film through the slit and that's all.
 

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For years I bulk loaded 35mm film, mostly Ektachrome which I used for long trips to Europe. At the time it was cost effective as long as the photo finishers would return the cartridges. For black & white film, I used it for mostly for 36 exposure rolls but I liked the flexibility of loading shorter rolls when it was useful. Now I primarily shoot 120 film and I have stopped using bulk loaded film, but I would go back to bulk loading if I start shooting more 35mm film, especially since I have my own darkroom now. I would encourage others who shoot 35mm film to consider using bulk loading.
 

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was thinking last night about my first Bulk loading adventures back in High school. the School camera club had a darkroom one could sign out..

I measured the length I wanted by marking the DRY table with Masking tape, and puting another piece of Masking tape with the end in the air at one end. My hobby had to fit my allowance at the time (1960s) so I would buy a PX402 50ft roll of Bulk film. (My east german Camera I bought used for 5 bucks had a top shutter speed on 1/125 so Tri-X was too fast) Later I was delighted to find one of the local camera stores stocked 17metre rolls of FP4 orAGFA ISS for about the same price as the Plus -x - But slightly longer roll! I see on the web that Ilford and Foma still sell 17metre rolls- but only in the European market.

In the dark I would open the film can, and tape the end of the roll down to the tape that had been left with the end in the air. unroll the film until I reached the Other masking taple on the table, and cut the film. then attched the end of the film to the spool of an Ansco Versapan cassette I had saved using my roll of Masking tape.. roll up and put the cassette together. Talk the bulk roll and stick the end down at the start tape and do another roll, and another.
a quirk in that method was the edge printing on my rolls ened up upside down as the factories assumed that the film would be rolled directly into the cassette, while i was actuallt rolling fro the other end.

note that this method did not require that I use any equipment other than scissors and a tape measure to set the length of film I wanted.
 

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was thinking last night about my first Bulk loading adventures back in High school. the School camera club had a darkroom one could sign out..

I measured the length I wanted by marking the DRY table with Masking tape, and puting another piece of Masking tape with the end in the air at one end. My hobby had to fit my allowance at the time (1960s) so I would buy a PX402 50ft roll of Bulk film. (My east german Camera I bought used for 5 bucks had a top shutter speed on 1/125 so Tri-X was too fast) Later I was delighted to find one of the local camera stores stocked 17metre rolls of FP4 orAGFA ISS for about the same price as the Plus -x - But slightly longer roll! I see on the web that Ilford and Foma still sell 17metre rolls- but only in the European market.

In the dark I would open the film can, and tape the end of the roll down to the tape that had been left with the end in the air. unroll the film until I reached the Other masking taple on the table, and cut the film. then attched the end of the film to the spool of an Ansco Versapan cassette I had saved using my roll of Masking tape.. roll up and put the cassette together. Talk the bulk roll and stick the end down at the start tape and do another roll, and another.
a quirk in that method was the edge printing on my rolls ened up upside down as the factories assumed that the film would be rolled directly into the cassette, while i was actuallt rolling fro the other end.

note that this method did not require that I use any equipment other than scissors and a tape measure to set the length of film I wanted.

A quick measure for working in the dark.

The average person's stretched out arms finger tip to tip, is roughly the same measurement as that person's height.

From the sternum, to stretched out arm, is about half that measure and, if you take a moment to measure from the crook of the arm, down to the wrist, you'll have a good, short roll of frames to work with.

The trick is, wear clean cotton or neoprene gloves to stretch out the free end of the bulk roll to these cutting lengths, cut the roll free, letting the film roll curl back neatly in your hand, and add the used film tail onto the spool, keeping it lined up square,l.

Wrap the spool and attached film snugly to the other end, where you'll add the precut tongue, continuing to roll up the film onto the roll.

Once you have your spool ready, slip it into the cassette body, with the far lid already in place, and then alline the tongue through the felt lips, and adding the snap cap or plastic, rotating cap on tightly.

With everything safe from light exposure, turn on the lights, add a bit of tape, just a sliver, mind you, to keep the plastic cassette caps in place and it does not hurt to get into the habit of doing the same to good metal cassettes, because strange things do happen.

All you need here besides the cassettes, films, tape, shears, dummy tails and tongues, and a dark area that allows you to stretch out your arms freely, is a small table to organize your tools for the dark operation and the dark bag and box of the mother roll, on.

No bulk film loader required but, PLEASE, DO WEAR GOOD GLOVES so your film is the n great shape when exposed.

If in the field, a dark bag is great, with a sealable.exposed film box and a light proof 'tent' will allow you to measure off.the 15 to 18 inches of raw film, to mount in the cassettes as short rolls.

Light proof boxes/bags of pre-spooled spindles and fresh film, can also be taken along if you want to rotate them through several hard to come by cassettes, just keep exposed film in order you need it and the unshot rolls separated.

Either cassette less spool can be kept in old Kodak black with grey lids until needed or back in the darkroom, where you can pull them out in the order needed for developing and ready the next batch of cassettes for another day out.
 

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A quick measure for working in the dark.

The average person's stretched out arms finger tip to tip, is roughly the same measurement as that person's height.

From the sternum, to stretched out arm, is about half that measure and, if you take a moment to measure from the crook of the arm, down to the wrist, you'll have a good, short roll of frames to work with.

The trick is, wear clean cotton or neoprene gloves to stretch out the free end of the bulk roll to these cutting lengths, cut the roll free, letting the film roll curl back neatly in your hand, and add the used film tail onto the spool, keeping it lined up square,l.

Wrap the spool and attached film snugly to the other end, where you'll add the precut tongue, continuing to roll up the film onto the roll.

Once you have your spool ready, slip it into the cassette body, with the far lid already in place, and then alline the tongue through the felt lips, and adding the snap cap or plastic, rotating cap on tightly.

With everything safe from light exposure, turn on the lights, add a bit of tape, just a sliver, mind you, to keep the plastic cassette caps in place and it does not hurt to get into the habit of doing the same to good metal cassettes, because strange things do happen.

All you need here besides the cassettes, films, tape, shears, dummy tails and tongues, and a dark area that allows you to stretch out your arms freely, is a small table to organize your tools for the dark operation and the dark bag and box of the mother roll, on.

No bulk film loader required but, PLEASE, DO WEAR GOOD GLOVES so your film is the n great shape when exposed.

If in the field, a dark bag is great, with a sealable.exposed film box and a light proof 'tent' will allow you to measure off.the 15 to 18 inches of raw film, to mount in the cassettes as short rolls.

Light proof boxes/bags of pre-spooled spindles and fresh film, can also be taken along if you want to rotate them through several hard to come by cassettes, just keep exposed film in order you need it and the unshot rolls separated.

Either cassette less spool can be kept in old Kodak black with grey lids until needed or back in the darkroom, where you can pull them out in the order needed for developing and ready the next batch of cassettes for another day out.

My apologies for rambling, it's late.

Cheers
 

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Combination of a blower brush and a Post-it note folded in half with the adhesive on the outside. Remove the spool from the cassette and run the folded Post-it through the cassette lips along with a few puffs from your Giotto rocket blower or similar.

On a similar vein, what are you doing getting grit anywhere near your film cassettes? Film should come out of the plastic tub and then be loaded into a clean camera. Shoot the film and return the cassette to a clean tub before subsequent development. No need for any grit to get near your film.

@eli grigs suggestion for using scrap film to make leaders for your bulk loaded film is a good one. I measured my cameras and I think that 4 frames of scrap film, (around 32 sprocket holes), should be enough. I have even used old negative strips which have been scanned and are no longer needed. I will never be wet printing from these negs as their condition is very poor after 40+ years. Took a long time to manually clean up the scans and I have multiple backups of the scans.

Remember, if you're using a Barnack Leica, you'll need to allow for 23 inline sprocket holes for the leader.

I forget if the older M's need this length too.

Cheers
 

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People keep saying that there's no money to be saved by bulk rolling black and white and that's true for too many film stocks. But Kodak Double X works out to $4.33 a roll. Just sayin'
 

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Remember, if you're using a Barnack Leica, you'll need to allow for 23 inline sprocket holes for the leader.

I forget if the older M's need this length too.

Cheers

Another thing to remember is that the AP/Lloyds/Bobaquick/etc. bulk loaders can not close the the Leica/Nikon/Zeiss/etc. labyrinth cassettes. Only a Alden/Watson/etc. loader will work with these cassettes.
 

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Another thing to remember is that the AP/Lloyds/Bobaquick/etc. bulk loaders can not close the the Leica/Nikon/Zeiss/etc. labyrinth cassettes. Only a Alden/Watson/etc. loader will work with these cassettes.

Cheers.

It's well worth reading up and looking for videos on how the work in the bulk loaders and your camera
 
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