Harman Photo cryptic announcement/teaser

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Ernst-Jan said:
I'm way more excited about CHS100 in 120. And I like how Adox did it. Just drop the message. No teasing. And just making use of all the people waiting from another new film from a competitor, in 3 days
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Me too, but it's a different scope because it is more of a reintroduction that unfortunately ran into so many hurdles. Kudos to both Harman and Adox for the interest and efforts on film however!

+1 on that. And it does not even have to be color. Adox have shared quite a bit on what they have been up to and Silvermax was manufactured with Agfa legacy components that IIRC would be too uneconomical to synthesize now. And Ferrania's halted E6 was also due to the legacy chemicals not being good anymore.
The most interesting parallel is Orwo/Inovis. The plant has been manufacturing color for Polaroid for a long time and supposedly there is a lot of ex Agfa capital (both human and material) yet we see how they are iterating and reiterating; perhaps their NC200 will be much more similar to Agfa consumer film from the 90s.
It will be interesting to see how things advance.
 

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Lachlan Young said:
Then there are issues with how it has been dried after processing.

And any competent scan system (or enlarger) is plenty capable of holding it flat.
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Yes. But 99% of scanners fail to scan ColorPlus cleanly, and with proper color and contrast.

The Fuji Frontier series are the only scanners I have seen that do justice to this film, being very clean and smooth, with dead on color accuracy.
 

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George Mann said:
Yes. But 99% of scanners fail to scan ColorPlus cleanly, and with proper color and contrast.

The Fuji Frontier series are the only scanners I have seen that do justice to this film, being very clean and smooth, with dead on color accuracy.
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I fail to see a meaningful difference in general colour/contrast accuracy between Fortier and Noritsu scans...

Frontier

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Noritsu


Even if you regard Nortisu scans to be failed, Frontier scans are just as bad enough that, if those scans are absolutely true representation of photographed subjects, I don't want to visit places or meet people in those scans.

(full disclosure; I actually generally prefer Frontier scans to Noritsu/Pakon/Agfa lab scans)
 

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George Mann said:
The Fuji Frontier series are the only scanners I have seen that do justice to this film, being very clean and smooth, with dead on color accuracy.
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I haven't seen any Noritsu or Frontier scan that I would describe in such a way. Not saying Frontier/Noritsu scans terrible, but minilab scanners were engineered for good enough results in volume, and the results are just that.
 

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There have been a few technicians that can maximise the quality of output from these scanners.

Only then is the difference clearly visible.
 

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George Mann said:
Yes. But 99% of scanners fail to scan ColorPlus cleanly, and with proper color and contrast.
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This is not my experience. With a Plustek 8100ai and Silverfast 9, I can get more accurate colors on ColorPlus than with Gold 200. Contrast is easily tamed just like any other color negative, and the small downside is color behaviors in the shadows and slightly worse grain. Every film has its quirks.
 

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Maybe Harman can be persuaded to join in Ilford's ULF campaign, and make some Phoenix in bizarre exotic sizes like 120 (and quarter-plate?) once a year, if you promise to buy enough of it.
 

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Dustin McAmera said:
and make some Phoenix in bizarre exotic sizes like 120
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120 is a bizarre size? If this is the case, it must be why only a select few of their offerings are available in it (none of which I particularly care for).

Imagine my gall in wanting them to release Pan 100 in 120?!
 

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Dustin McAmera said:
Maybe Harman can be persuaded to join in Ilford's ULF campaign, and make some Phoenix in bizarre exotic sizes like 120 (and quarter-plate?) once a year, if you promise to buy enough of it.
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Heck yes! That's the beauty of this is that the possibility of "reasonable" priced color sheets may be on the horizon. I would love to make some 11x14 contact prints.
 

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George Mann said:
Imagine my gall in wanting them to release Pan 100 in 120?!
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Pan 100 as Ilford Pan 100? Well I use to shoot a lot of it, but it has been discontinued in 120 at least a decade ago



Now back to Phoenix.
 

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Back to Phoenix. If some users want to bash Color Plus, may I suggest they start a suitable thread?

The concern over quality of Harman Phoenix comes about due to the leaked images where the packaging for Phoenix film has been revealed. This packaging states that it is a "limited edition" and Harman's "first step" in colour film....with sales of Phoenix going towards investing to "refine and improve formulations, coating capabilities and colour technology".

From this, we can conclude that this film may not be on a par with Kodak or Fuji in terms of quality of images it is capable of producing.
 

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Agulliver said:
The concern over quality of Harman Phoenix comes about due to the leaked images
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I'm also going by a few things relayed to me that come from the datasheet of the product. It's very clear to me that this is not a film that's meant to compete head on with C41 color film intended for general still photography. At least not in terms of objective quality. I'm sure many people will love it for its quirks. Heck, maybe I even will - I'll gladly give it a spin.
 

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koraks said:
It's the same company.
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Indeed it is. And it seems likely that they'll concentrate on 135 for a while, get that closer to perfection before trying other formats. As we've been told before, it's not simply a case of cutting the same master roll a different size.

Ultimately it would be great to see Harman colour film in multiple formats including sheet sizes....but they need to walk before they can run,.
 

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Intriguing....

I'll try and buy some and will experiment with it if I am able to obtain any. But if not, I shall rest assured that the reason I can't get any is because it all sold and that others will soon enough get to try it out.
 
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